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Old August 9th, 2009, 11:38 PM
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Kritts..I dunno! but one flew out of my jammies at 4 AM . I had to go potty.

I have seen them everywhere in my environment even in the deep of winter.!
Doggie has them too. Go figure!
Lamb....

So, what were you doing at 3 am???

Yes, many of us have seen them year 'round. I think that's because weather doesn't change the plumbing conditions inside. Mold is a year 'round partyer (or? partier?) IT PARTYS YEAR ROUND!

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Old August 10th, 2009, 11:08 PM
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Hey Kat,
thanks, girlfren....

I did look it up and posted on the OTHER thread. Now we have two threads on fungus gnats.....multi-tasking!

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Old August 10th, 2009, 11:12 PM
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Hi there! Kritts,


Fungus gnats feed on organic matter both live and dead, one of the first signs of fungus gnat infestation is moss disappearing and webs of silky threads on the soil surface.
This could certainly explain the webs people see on their lawns, trees, shrubs, etc.

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I do believe it is possible that the cells, genes, DNA, etc. of any insect is possible to be put into a cryogenic, bio insecticide form and ingested by humans and then these particles cause these insect larvae to become developed inside the human body.

I believe that by the actual pests themselves being present that this shows some sort of mis-use of the intent of the purpose of what a bio-insecticide is supposed to do. I believe it shows negligence, malintent, malice, and a whole lot of other words... the art of the science has been mis-used by someone, the number one purpose deliberately ignored - not bringing harm to man.

IMO - There is no sound scientific reasoning for the DNA/cells of the object pest to be present in a lab created bio-insecticide concoction. This is a practice that a scientist skilled in the art of biowarfare agents would introduce to harm AN ENEMY!



Here is what I think about all this...IMO this is NOT an intent of Bio warfare... It is a fact that companies involved in bio-techniques have 'created' a simple and CHEAP way to create a bio-insecticides as my posts at the 'ear thread' have shown...

The scientists who made this form of bio-insecticide using fermented nematodes incapsuled in hydrogel/nanogel in a dried form to easily spread on the crops..infiltrated with the baculovirus (which is assumed not be harmful to humans), fungi such as Actinomyces and Streptomyces (which resemble the 'fibers'), Wolbachia Bacteria and Bt's....Not to mention adding Pheromones to the mix for altering the sexual behaviour and reproduction of the insects. And on top of all that using plant extracts as a growth regulator...

All initialy started by pharmaceutical companies and companies such as Monsanto, DuPont and Bayer who are highly involved in GM - crop managemant and Bio-Insecticides...

This statement sets it clear: mass production..marketing..MONEY!

The progress in mass production through fermentation (nematodes, Bt), in vivo (baculoviruses), extraction and purification (azadirachtin) and synthesis routes (pheromones) were instrumental in marketing these products.


IMO...as 'they' have created this form of bio-insecticide nobody has ever looked so far to see how it could possibly be harzardous to humans or animals...Have they ever thought about global warming, acid rain and air/water/soil pollution and it's effects on nature? nope..

I believe that all insects that get infiltrated by this parasitic wasp (and we know that this wasp 'attacks' many pests)...also injects all the bacteria/viruses plus the wasp dna...

AND the wasp in the other hand gets also 'infected' by the bacteria/viruses/fungi/Bt's/Pheromones...harboring in the insects...besides that.. which I think.. also 'picks up' foreign insect-dna...

so..what would happen if we get bitten or stung by such an insect?

We get infected with a) bacteria b) virus c) several fungi d) insect dna....e) pheromones which attract more insects...I'm thinking here about collembola for example..f) plus plant extracts that let the parasites in our bodies appear/grow in cycles...

voila!..there you have it!

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Ok... that complicates matters if that's true. The wasp can carry the DNA, viruses, bacteria, fungi of any of the hosts that it parasitizes? Let's look and see if this is documented anywhere?

Here's my first stop:

Possible Horizontal Transfer of a Transposable Element from Host to Parasitoid -- Yoshiyama et al. 18 (10): 1952 -- Molecular Biology and Evolution

Molecular Biology and Evolution 18:1952-1958 (2001)
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Possible Horizontal Transfer of a Transposable Element from Host to Parasitoid

"Full-length mariner-like elements (MLEs) were identified from both a parasitoid wasp, Ascogaster reticulatus, and its moth host, Adoxophyes honmai. MLEs were detected in two related Tortricid moths, but not in another Ascogaster species. The MLEs of A. reticulatus and A. honmai were 97.6% identical in DNA sequence. This high similarity suggests a recent horizontal transfer, probably from the moth host to the wasp parasitoid, facilitated by the intimacy of the host-parasitoid relationship."

This article show where Wolbachia can be transferred:

Natural interspecific and intraspecific horizontal transfer of parthenogenesis-inducing Wolbachia in Trichogramma wasps.
And remember I had a moth in my samples ID'ed, which came from neck. How bizare? OR is it??? lol It is getting deep
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Recent Evidence Confirms Risks of Horizontal Gene Transfer

S/R 30: Recent Evidence Confirms Risks of Horizontal Gene Transfer (Mae-Wan Ho)

Sexually reproducing organisms pass their DNA only “vertically,” from one generation to the next.

But bacteria and viruses exchange bits of DNA “horizontally,” from one organism to another.

What happens when artificially introduced genes get transferred horizontally?

The oft-repeated refrain that “transgenic DNA is just like ordinary DNA” is false.

Transgenic DNA is in many respects optimized for horizontal gene transfer.

It is designed to cross species barriers and to jump into genomes, and it has homologies to the DNA of many species and their genetic parasites (plasmids, transposons and viruses), thereby enhancing recombination with all of them.

Transgenic constructs contain new combinations of genes that have never existed, and they also amplify gene products that have never been part of our food chain.

The health risks of horizontal gene transfer include:
  • Antibiotic resistance genes spreading to pathogenic bacteria;
  • Disease-associated genes spreading and recombining to create new viruses and bacteria that cause diseases;
  • Transgenic DNA inserting into human cells, triggering cancer.
The risk of cancer is highlighted by the…report that gene therapy—genetic modification of human cells—claimed its first cancer victim.

The transgenic constructs used in genetic modification are basically the same whether it is of human cells or of other animals and plants.

An aggressive promoter from a virus is often used to boost the expression of the transgene—in animal and human cells from the cytomegalovirus that infects mammalian cells, and in plants the 35S promoter from the cauliflower mosaic virus (CaMV) that infects Cruciferae plants.

Unfortunately, although the CaMV virus is specific for plants, its 35S promoter is active in species across the living world, human cells included, as we discovered in the scientific literature dating back to 1989.

Plant geneticists who have incorporated the promoter into practically all GM crops now grown commercially are apparently unaware of this crucial information.

Research results released early in 2002 by the Food Standards Agency indicate that transgenic DNA from GM soya flour, eaten in a single hamburger and milk shake meal, was found transferred to the bacteria in the gut contents from the colostomy bags of human volunteers.


…although the CaMV virus is specific for plants, its 35S promoter is active in species across the living world…

The Agency dismissed the findings and downplayed the risks.

The comments, “it is extremely unlikely that genes from genetically modified (GM) food can end up in bacteria in the gut of people who eat them,”

and “the findings had been assessed by several Government experts who had ruled that humans were not at risk,” are seriously misleading.

Second, there was no attempt to check for transgenic DNA in the blood and blood cells, although scientific reports dating back to the early 1990s indicated transgenic DNA could pass through the intestine and the placenta, and become incorporated into the blood cells, liver and spleen cells and cells of the foetus and newborn.

Third, no attempt was made to address the limitations of the detection method and the scope of the investigation failed completely in assessing the real risks. False assurances were made that “humans were not at risk.”

Another research project on horizontal gene transfer commissioned by the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (MAFF), the predecessor to the Food Standards Agency, concerns Agrobacterium tumefaciens, the soil bacterium that causes crown gall disease, which has been developed as a major gene transfer vector for making transgenic plants.



Foreign genes are typically spliced into T-DNA—part of a plasmid called Ti (tumour-inducing)—that’s integrated into plant genome.bh.


It turns out that Agrobacterium injects T-DNA into plant cells in a process that strongly resembles conjugation, i.e., mating between bacterial cells, and all the necessary signals and genes involved are interchangeable with those for conjugation.


That means transgenic plants created by the T-DNA vector system have a ready route for horizontal gene escape, via Agrobacterium, helped by the ordinary conjugative mechanisms of many other bacteria that cause diseases.

A report submitted to MAFF in 1997 had indeed raised the possibility that Agrobacterium tumefaciens could be a vector for gene escape.

The researchers found that it was extremely difficult to get rid of the Agrobacterium.


High rates of gene transfer are known to be associated with the plant root system and the germinating seed.

Agrobacterium could multiply and transfer transgenic DNA to other bacteria, as well as to the next crop plant.


Agrobacterium was also found to transfer genes into several types of human cells, and in a manner similar to that which it uses to transform plant cells.

All the risks of horizontal gene transfer described above are real, and far outweigh any potential benefits that GM crops can offer.

There is no case for allowing any commercial release of GM crops and food products.

The following experiments and tests should be done to address the risks of horizontal gene transfer:


1. Feeding experiments similar to those carried out by Dr. Arpad Pusztai’s team should be done, using well-characterized transgenic soya and/or maize meal feed, with full, adequate monitoring for transgenic DNA in the faeces, blood and blood cells, and post-mortem histological examinations that include tracking transfer of transgenic DNA into the genome of cells. As an added control, nontransgenic DNA from the same GM feed sample should also be monitored.


2. Feeding trials on human volunteers should be carried out using well-characterized transgenic soya and/or maize meal feed, with full, adequate monitoring for transgenic DNA in the faeces, blood and blood cells. Also as an added control, nontransgenic DNA from the same GM feed sample should also be monitored.


** I think they should use US as human volunteers...WE would PROVE it ALL!!!



3. The stability of transgenic plants in successive generations should be systematically investigated, especially for those containing CaMV 35S promoter, using adequate quantitative molecular techniques.


4. Full molecular characterization of all transgenic lines must be carried out to establish uniformity and genetic stability of the insert(s).


5. All transgenic plants created by the Agrobacterium T-DNA vector system should be tested for the persistence of the bacteria and vectors. The soil in which they have been grown should also be monitored for gene escape to soil bacteria. And the potential for horizontal gene transfer to the next crop via the germinating seed and root system should be carefully monitored.



**How come I have this strange feeling THIS will never happen?


Kat
Hello again kat,
You know today I called around every farm co-op or extension and asked about parasitic wasp. I spoke to probably 8 people at 8 different places and only 2 of these places said that they have even heard of these wasp?? Which is very strange to me as I live in farm country and the one person who did seem to know what they are told me her and her husband had a 400 acre organic bean farm and that they were thinking of investing in these wasp for their farm. She said they are very expensive though!! Money, these greedy mega company's will stop at nothing i told her to make their millions while they are killing people by gmo'ing these wasp and I also told her that really her beans won't be organic anymore if they use these genetically modified target plant wasp. That she better do her a little research before she decides to go there. Later on I went to H. food store and asked if they knew about them, and she said no. I then asked if she knew about genetically modified organisims and she said OH YES!! I said well you should look up these wasp and see if any of your suppliers are using them, this is also little organic food store. She said Oh no they would never be allowed to use them as a bio pesticide on our organic if they are GMO. I repeated she should do a little research. She said well honestly I haven't heard much about them and I thought no, you wouldn't! all they hear is how good they are for pest if you are going organic like the bean farmer and because the goverment has been so lax on it's regulations food that is contminated by these wasp and their GMO's is passing right through and being certified organic. MY Gosh what a tangle web these company's have wove. I think we should copy and paste this pg or to every health food organic store in our area. Because a lot of these organic's that think they are eating organic are die hard organic and if they knew the real deal maybe they would start a band wagon ban to ban these bugs.lol I doubt that will ever happen either, but people do need to be made aware of the time b they may be eating...
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