Testing Morgellons Fibers-More Fibers Tests

[posey]

I searched to see if this had been posted and could not locate it here. If this is old news or source not credible please speak up. Most here have been here for some time now and ae much more aware of the minute researchers who are involved with this.

An excerpt from the page which caught my attention:

A positive identification
Following tests on fibres Citovsky claims to have identified them as polysaccharides (sugar molecules), not lint or dirt as skeptics claim. However he balances this by pointing out that neither are they worms or any other type of living organism, he says;


They're made up of polysaccharides, sugars, long chains of sugar molecules. The problem is the people who deny the existence of the disease. They say this is lint or dirt that people find on their skin. But it's not dirt, it's not lint, it's not twigs. But on the other hand, it is not a living creature, because some people say they're worms.

Testing Morgellons Fibers

I looked up some of these words which took me to wikipedia with a pic that looks like what comes of my face when I put salicylate acid on it:

Polymer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

posey

[Sadsack]

Posey -

I can't authenticate the comments attributed to Citovsky either (regarding the polysaccharides). Doesn't mean he didn't say it, but if he did I'd want to know what testing they did. Once again, stringent tests need to be applied to truly determine these things.

Another excerpt:
"A testing contradiction
There is an unadressed contradiction in the test results; according to Randy Wymore and the Tulsa P.D. forensics lab the fibres could not be burnt, even at 1400 degrees! Whilst for Citovsky and SUNY they are merely "a long chain of sugar molecules", but surely sugar cannot withstand such high temperatures?
So, however interesting some the findings may sound it must be remembered that, as of now, these details have only been reported in the popular press and not in peer-reviewed scientific journals and hence lack scientific legitimacy"

Wymore has stated what tests were conducted to arrive at his conclusions, is replicating them with an idependent lab in order to publish the findings. My vote is with Wymore and the Tulsa Crime Lab.

In any event, it is pretty clear that these things are not living organisms of any kind.

SS

[kmar]

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Does anyone have this "REPORT" that Dr. Wymore had printed out?

This statement was made at the 2008 conf. in Austin.

Did anyone get the report or is there a way to get it now?

YouTube - Dr. Wymore----Fiber Report is Available

[kmar]

The Morgellons Research Foundation

April 2004 Archive

The fibers have been analyzed by FTIR (Fourier Transform Infrared Spectroscopy) and have tentatively been identified as cellulose. Since true fungi are not able to synthesize cellulose, we are currently focused on the Oomycetes class of fungus-like organisms, and filamentous organisms, which have the cellulose synthetase gene.

We are unclear if this unknown organism is an Oomycete, but are intrigued by certain features of this class such as Coenocytic mycelium and cellulose synthesis. Pythium insidiosum is the only Oomycete we are aware of, which has been documented to cause human infections. Again, the structures associated with this unknown skin pathogen are very curious and do NOT fit the descriptions of any of the known Oomycetes. The cause of this skin disease remains elusive.

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I want to find the "sugar statement" cuz I do remember thinking back "Oh they are cellulose" and can't remember the date/time period when the "polysacharide" analysis came about. I'll keep looking.

[Sadsack]

Kmar -

The study of these fibers has evolved. Clearly, the report from 5 years ago was very unclear/sketchy and I don't think it has any current value.

If you can be patient, the FTIR study that Wymore referred to is being replicated currently and the results will be released even before they are published.

This year's presentation was more detailed; I summarized them in another post.

SS

[kmar]

I have become a master of patience..... ( i.e., due to no other choice )

The CDC really needs to tell us all SOMETHING/ANYTHING. June is right around the corner. Geeze, they ought to at least release some sort of statement. So many new cases of this and so many groups are suffering with the same symptoms such as the birdmite group.

I can find no valid excuse/reason for why CDC has not yet publically released ANY information on National TV.

To me, it was very sad how they announced the Morgellons Study through an "internet press conference". I would have preferred a "regular" press conference like they do with other diseases.

Is morgellons cancer? Just had an evualation out of town from a specialist and he ordered a paraneoplastic test and other things. He thinks I may possibly have a cancer in my blood.

I don't know what to think with all the people dropping dead. I NEVER said anything to him about Morgellons.

[Jo]

I know Stricker mentioned cellulose at the 2008 conference, when giving the results of the agrobacterium found in 7 out of 7 morgies skin samples. Agrobacterium produces cellulose filaments, according to Stricker's presentation.

I too have no idea about the scientific source of the polysaccharides mention.

Jo xxx

[Sadsack]

KMar -
You are totally correct. The CDC has no valid excuse for not saying something. Supposing they are lying about all this, that they really know a lot more than they would ever let on, they've had enough time to get their "lies" together and give 'em out.
This is like the Manhattan Project in terms of governmental secrecy.
I also wonder when the MRF Phase II results will be released. I believe it was Aug of '08 when it was announced.
As far as the FTIR fiber analysis, it won't be long on that.
SS

[Venetia]

I want to find the "sugar statement" cuz I do remember thinking back "Oh they are cellulose" and can't remember the date/time period when the "polysacharide" analysis came about. I'll keep looking.

Above- Kmar

Is this what you are looking for?


New skin disorder drawing attention -- Newsday.com


New skin disorder drawing attention

BY DELTHIA RICKS | delthia.ricks@newsday.com
9:53 PM EST, January 28, 2008


Morgellons is a medical mystery with more questions than answers.

Fair use

Citovsky said doctors still have no idea whether to categorize it as a disease that has a specific cause; a syndrome with several components, or an emotional problem driven by a vocal community that seeks solace in cyberspace.

In addition to the fibers, patients also report abnormal skin sensations, such as stinging, crawling and biting. Still others cite joint pain and short-term memory loss as key problems. A few report shocking manifestations, such as a live worm emerging from their skin, or a wad of the fibrous material bursting through a lip.

"Many [pyhsicians] consider it a psychiatric problem," Citovsky said. "However, there might be something that they develop," he added, underscoring that his laboratory analyses have cracked the chemical puzzle of the fibers.

"They're made up of polysaccharides, sugars," he said. "Long chains of sugar molecules. The problem is the people who deny the existence of the disease. They say this is lint or dirt that people find on their skin. But it's not dirt, it's not lint, it's not twigs.

"But on the other hand, it is not a living creature, because some people say they're worms."

Citovsky received samples of the fibrous material last year from San Francisco physician Raphael Stricker. Stricker wrote the first paper on the disorder, along with biologist Mary Leitao, who gave the disorder the name Morgellons in 2002. She found a reference in a medical history book on a 17th century disease in which fibrous material emerged from people's skin. Her son had suffered from emerging fibers. She now runs a Morgellons foundation in Pennsylvania.

Stricker sent samples of the material to Citovsky's lab because he thought the Stony Brook biochemist could produce answers.

[Venetia]

The statement should be 2006 ? re:Sugars- although this has no mention...

CNN.com - Transcripts

Fair use

Dr. Citovsky of SUNY Stonybrook has also conducted some preliminary research

on Morgellons. Preliminary findings indicate that Agrobacterium was found in

the cells of Morgellons patients and may be involved in the etiology and /or

progression of Morgellons disease. Pathogenic Agrobacterium is known to

produce cellulose fibers at infection sties within host tissues and is

commonly used in biotechnology to genetically alter plants. Preliminary

findings indicate that Agrobacterium was found in the cells of Morgellons

patients. In a CNN interview, Dr. Citovsky stated, "when I look into the

skin of these Morgellons patients, I see DNA from something that could only

come from a plant." Agrobacterium may very well be the pathogen that

distinguishes Morgellons disease. If these results are confirmed, it would

be the first example of a plant-infecting bacterium playing a role in human

disease. Dr. Citovsky has received numerous additional samples from

Morgellons patients, but due to a lack of funding, cannot test these samples

at this time. He has applied for a grant from the National Institute of

Heath to perform this work. source [[4]]

23:50, 28 October 2006