Actinomyces of the skin

[paddel]

ACTINOMYCOSIS OF THE SKIN.

Definition.—A chronic parasitic affection due to the presence of the ray fungus in the subcutaneous or other tissues, which attacks the skin secondarily from within, producing nodular swellings or tumors and numerous fistulous openings on the surface.

Actinomycosis of internal organs is of less rare occurrence than in the skin, but the cutaneous form is probably not so rare as formerly supposed. The disease occurs in some of the lower animals, and Bollinger in 1877 first demonstrated the presence of a fungus in the lesions of the "lumpy jaw" of cattle, which from its gross appearances Harz termed the "ray fungus." Two years after Ponfick established the identity of the disease as it occurred in man and animals, and later Majocchi described its occurrence in the skin. The fungus gains access to the tissues in nearly all cases through the mouth, most often along a carious tooth, but may find entrance further on in the digestive or respiratory tracks. Very rarely the skin may be affected from without through some break in its surface.

Symptoms.—In the larger proportion of cases the disease is situated in parts contiguous to the mouth and neck, often at the side beneath the jaw, but the hand, foot, scrotum or shoulder may be affected. The onset of the disease is insidious, and months or years may elapse before the skin is affected. Sooner or later deep subcutaneous tumors develop covered by the dark red or livid skin, which, as it becomes more involved, bursts at one or more points and gives outlet to a thick, purulent discharge which later becomes sero-sanguinous. Sometimes as the tumor- like swelling becomes soft, burrowing of its contents takes place, and an opening in the skin may occur followed by a discharge at some distance from the tumor. Short or long fistulous tracks are thus formed, much the same as in scrofuloderma. The special features of the discharge are the presence in it of numerous minute, yellowish bodies, from a small pinhead to a hemp seed in size, which consist of massed mycelium of the actinomy- ces or pathogenic fungus. The course of the disease varies, but

Paddel

[Baraka Obam#2]

This REALLY seems like a maybe part of this malady, The lesions do all of these things, but the tracks are systemic, so did they miss somthing. I belive what they were explaining was also systemic AS it does also open in certain places. Good post!

[kool-aidman]

thanks for the post,


wow sounds alot like my skin? i wonder maybe i should bring this up to my doctor,

[niecy]

Hi Paddel,
I just wondered if this had been mentioned here, as it sounded familiar to me. Hope you don’t mind, but I am posting a few links that have mentioned the subject, one going all the way back to October of 2007 made by TCM, the one from Jo actually directs a few words to you…..hope you find it helpful.

In the post made by one of these ladies is a link to Wikepedia about the bacteria….I am going to go ahead and post it here as I found some of it to be very interesting as it mentions several things that have come across from many different posters on the forum, including Leprosy .

Be sure to look at the graph in the external links, by The Journal of Infectious Disease in the 2nd link.


Niecy

Actinomyces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Actinomycosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This is a post made by Jo
MRF Preliminary Findings



This is a post made by TCM
Specific Parasites, bacteria MRF may be researching


This is a post made by Kammy
Progress Reports

[tcmgpt13]

Just a link to an old post which references the specific disease organisms being considered as part of Morgellons by Dr. Harvey. The original information was posted on MRF, but was removed. The reason we may still access this information is because it was copied onto another website. In this discussion, by Dr. Harvey, actinomyces is mentioned as being found in those with Morgellons symptoms:

Specific Parasites, bacteria MRF may be researching

Sorry, Niecy, I guess we replied to this thread about the same time--I am just now seeing your post which was entered a few minutes before mine. I am glad though that you included my link along with the other links from older posts about actinomyces. I do believe linking older posts with newer ones is a good practice and keeps information together in a neat string. It seems you do too. Another thing, I am glad that we are revisiting the results of some the research which Dr. Harvey did a couple years ago. It is a long time since we have heard much new from that direction, at least about the possible infections and parasites. Still knowing exactly what infections and parasites were being found initially in some Morgellons patients by the most well known early Morgellons doctor, Dr. Harvey, will be a possible guide for future doctors until further hard research is carried out.

[Morgan]

Thanks for the thread. I've checked into this previously and I'm perplexed.

Let's say that these fibers are made up of polysaccarides for example which is what I understand to be fungus.

Polysaccharides: Their Structure and Function

Morgellons Disease Research Gaining Momentum
“However, there might be something that they develop,” he added, whose laboratory analyses discovered the chemical make-up of the fibers. “They’re made up of polysaccharides, sugars; long chains of sugar molecules.
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Then let's say that we also have actinomycosis which is actually bacteria..okay?

Actinomycosis: Overview - eMedicine

"Actinomycosis is caused by various bacterial species of the actinomycete group."

"The term actinomycosis is misleading. Because of the derivative term mycosis (from the Greek mykes), some believe that actinomycosis is a fungal infection, although it is not a fungal infection."

Here's my question. If we have BOTH fungus and bacteria which would make the most sense to treat first?

Just throwing this out there. Nothing is certain at this point...YET.



Thanks,

Morgan

[tcmgpt13]

Good question, Morgan. My own doctor is evidently trying to determine what infections are at the forefront of my symptoms. Over time as treatment works or work partially then the next step would follow. In my own case it was herpes simplex 1 (cold sores) and herpes 6 (roseola). He looked at my lyme test (conventional and Igenex) and from the results decided that the herpes infections were more important to treat than the lyme which at that time was in an inactive state. He seems to believe that treating the most important background infections will help to clear up the parasitic infections I seem to have. Viral infections do enable some other diseases such as parasites to thrive in the body. This I suppose could include fungus too, although I am not positive about that. I am also being treated for skin parasites by using chemical dewormers (as well as some herbal ones). BTW, he is well known for treating lyme disease, so I am not worried about the possible lyme connection, at least not at this time.

[Kritters]

Morgan,

EXCELLENT question the best of the best do not know at this point.

How can they possibly know which of the organisms (bacteria, fungus, virus) should be treated first? (especially if the 'Morgellons' organism is a combination thereof)

The Lyme connection or the Herpes connection could be the anchor culprit, but again......we on this forum are just novice biological researchers. It's all speculative on our parts.

In my way of thinking, hit them all at the same time. Full barrels.

What do I know? nada.

p.s. polysaccarides I thought were carbohydrates. Where do you see the fungal connection? That could be significant here.

Kritters

[Morgan]

This was taken from the link I provided.

Polysaccharides: Their Structure and Function

As a group, the polysaccharides play diverse and important roles within the biology of life processes; however, they can be divided into two broad groups.

Structural polysaccharides;

Chitin

Chitin is closely related in structure to cellulose, also being an unbranched polysaccharide. However, instead of the hydroxyl groups (-OH), the chains have the following structure –NH.CO.CH3 replacing it. Large amounts of chitin is found in the cuticles of arthropods, with smaller amounts being found in sponges, molluscs and annelids. Chitin can also be found in the cell walls of most FUNGI and in some green algae.

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Sorry for going so far off your thread topic paddell.

Morgan