Who's joints are cracking?

[paddel]

I was wondering if there is anyone here that has joints that are cracking? Was just wondering since this happens and my shoulders pop. Could this be happening because the lyme spirochetes or fungi has eaten away at the cartilage at these sites?

Paul

[Natalie]

Hi Paul. Both of my wrists do and they hurt and arre a swollen. Doc did bloods, not sure if there off at all. How about you? You have blood work done. Guess theyre looking for inflammation somehow.
Nat

[pat]

My left shoulder has started cracking since a swelling has appeared on upper arm in muscle.Also ankles and wrists crack.

[Morgan]

Yes my jaw has been cracking. This came on suddenly about a week ago with a sore throat and neck pain. Dentist said I have tmj but then I got a prescription for cephalexin and the jaw and throat pain went away immediately. I guess it wasn't tmj. My first thought was Lyme/spirochtes as well. I tested neg for lyme about a year ago. I don't put a lot of stock in ELISA's however.

Scary not being able to open and close my mouth without pain. Me no likie.



Morgan

[beverlybdmd]

What I have noticed about the popping joints: There is definately two distinctly different types that I have had. One is very slow onset and chronic, like my knees, and involves chronic inflamatory destruction of the cartilage surface (probably by my Lyme) and I can feel a gritty, popping sensation with bending and movement. (like sandpaper.)

The OTHER usually involves an acute Morgie-like infestation/infection, begins much more suddenly (like a BUSITIS or a sprain.) it feels like a partial dislocation that keeps popping in & out of position. Can cause horrible muscle spasms, due to strain on surrounding area above & below the involved joint. I BELIEVE that this might actually be due to swelling or change of the normal position of the joint due to the lymphatic system attempts to TRY and drain the Morgies out from there and relieve the infestation. I had a TERRIBLE problem with my left shoulder for 4-5 months, until it finally developed an open sinus tract and began to drain clear mucousy slime out to the skin for about six weeks, and now it has totally healed. I was having a recurrent partial shoulder dislocation, and secondary shoulder tendon bursitis, until this fluid drained and that fixed it all. Before that I was in seeing a physical therapist and in tons of pain. Stupid doctors never even suspected INFECTION.

[Natalie]

Everyone who posted, Im sitting here saying yes to everything you said. Infection. I looked up arthritus and saw that there is an infectious type. But the docs dont care. My pain subsides after doses of antibioitcs too.

Almost everyone I speak to, on the street, the bus, at the store, has these pains. I see there eyes, grey circles, the smell of there skin, the dry yet greasy dull hair.


I know I sound like a freak. And Im not obsessed with Morgs. Im just an inuitive, empath. I can thelp but fell and taste whats going on.

Tell me thats not happening to you people cause I bet it is. I tthink we are all getting more and more sensitive to everything.

I have to breathe....

[pat]

What you experienced with your shoulder Dr Beverley is exactly what I am having with my shoulder.Onset has been very sudden.When I move the arm in a certain way the pain is so bad I feel sick with it.And tears can spring to the eyes in a heartbeat.I did for a few seconds consider going to the GP but then thought it would be a waste of time.I have found strapping a magnet around upper arm gives some relief as do the detox pads.
A couple of years ago I had a 'mole' removed from this area and it healed but remains red and shiny in appearance.

[tcmgpt13]

I do think that some of this sort of inflammation which members are discussing on this thread is because these parasites and infections are in the liver and spleen area and often the blood is too hot and does not flow properly. In TCM the liver controls the tendons and sinews. The spleen controls the muscles. So treating these areas and making sure the flow of blood, lymph and chi does not become stagnant will help these types of symptoms. I think many do have problems with the lymph area and then I am pretty at some stage it is also in the blood stream. Parasites love to dam areas in the body to gain access to water and food found in this case in the blood and lymph IMHO. Also if I go by some of my lesions I can say that I believe in lesion areas the muscle could provide a food source as well. That would be controlled by the spleen and could explain why many have lesions in the arms and the legs as the four limbs are also controlled by the spleen.

Here is a short explanation of how TCM views the liver. Some of the pain folks feel with this problem may generate in some way from the liver area as it controls the blood flow. In TCM steady pain indicates an excess and intermittent pain indicates deficiency which again IMHO is probably the most likely situation in those with morgellons (but I am not a doctor or a TCM practitioner so this is just IMHO):

TCM Student: Function Liver

Here are a couples sentences about the liver from this short review of liver function:

"Finally, since the liver is where the blood is stored and nourished, a liver in disharmony (from qi stagnation, dampness, heat, etc.) may affect the blood. It may become reckless or hot and cause skin problems or emotional problems.

These are all problems I think many with morgellons symptoms may have.

Here is another short article about the spleen as explained by this site:

TCM Student: Function Spleen

"Controls the Muscles and Four Limbs
This ties into the transformation and transportation function of the spleen to spread nutrients to the muscles and tissues. If the spleen is weak, the limbs and muscles aren't nourished and they become weak and tired."

I believe if more doctors understood TCM and the way it views body function they could improve their treatments, even if they never used the herbs or acupuncture. Many conditions can resolve if treated properly by a very good TCM practitioner without ever having to go to a doctor, something probably most doctors do not want folks to know. Everything has its place though I think fewer drugs and chemicals would benefit all in the long run. Still there are times one does have to resort to drugs, but I feel that doing so for short term is better, but that is just IMHO.

[Natalie]

I read that TCM and fully understand it is correct. But what to do when a person is constantly being infected by members of the famliy. Im not asking YOU what to do, its just that its a problem for me.

My spleen has been burning for years. The pain gets so great at times if someone hugs me too tight I squeal in pain. My legs and arms are weak, the muscles are sore. My digestion is not complete if you knoww what I mean? My sinuses are full of flegm and my throat gets filled at night from down below and from above, my head. The BMs I will not talk about. My liver is throbbing at times and the back of my neck is HOT.

So there you have it. The spleen is where to start! Psychics have told me its living in your spleen, liver and lymphs. Oh, the lymphnodes are painful swollen and have 6 cysts wich were biopsied for cancer. No cancer, no treatment.

No treatment. But when I moved away and didnt see family. I used cleanses for liver of parasites. I ate only fresh veggies. I meditated and massaged these areas of pain. I became well. I had a full year of getting better day by day. But alas my kids called and needed me. One by one moved in and out. I became sick again.

Emycin, flagyll, diflucan in very limited amts. Because I know what these drugs can do to harm the bbody. But when a person cannot, and I mean cannot go to the bathroom, the toxins biuld up so bad I become insane, in pain, throwing up, jaw clenching night sweats.

What to do? Go where? This is why I am so desperate and SOUND insane at times. I actually am from the toxins.

I want to stay and help my kids. They are sick too but arent able to get the medical attention they need. Same reason as us, noone understands.

I wish I could go live on a mountain, in a cave or in a tree. Id eat well, sleep wel and live well. The animals would be there for me I know!

I dont like starting my day with tears but its happening. Its ok cause I will pick myself up.

Pray for me? I just called the doctor and asked for flagyll to be called in.

I agree with your summations TCM! I love them and wish to do as much as I can with spirit. Im listening to an angel meditation, learning to ask for help from them too.

WE have the means and way to heal. Its within us. The choices we have made are the things that face us now. WE are all good people learning how to be the good humans God created us to be. All have gone astray!! ME!!!!


God bless you TCM, and all you do. Dont worry that we all fight and become snooty. We are all sick people, not one of us is perfect. Someday though!

Lots of love, Natalie

[Natalie]

as I got up from chair my hip cracked on left side! Never heard that one before! LOL