What ARE the FIBERS????

[Kritters]

I know I have brain fog.

But what am I missing here?

Morgellons is a skin and systemic disease manifested with fibers we find in and on our bodies.

Many people are scientifically researching to discover what causes Morgellons disease.

Why hasn't anyone been able to identify the composition of the.........FIBERS????

How tough can that be?

The CDC is using Kaiser Permanente to look into this. Do they not have forensic and DNA experts to determine what the fibers' composition is?

I really don't get why this is so complicated!!!!!

Kritters

[godsgrace]

After being compared to fibers in the national database of known fibrous elements, Morgellons fibers have not been found identical to any other known substances. They have been found to be consistent with a substance that could be produced by the human body. It has been stated that Morgellons fibers cannot be manmade and are also not made by plants. This is a vague description but it reflects almost everything that is known right now about Morgellons fibers.

In January 2007, Morgellons fibers were found to contain cellulose, the primary component of plants. Cellulose is also used in the makeup of cotton and linen, as well as cellophane. Additionally, patients reporting Morgellons fibers have also tested positively for Agrobacterium, and organism that infects plants and is known to produce cellulose fibers primarily at the infection site. This evidence has been helpful in shedding some light on the mystery of Morgellons fibers but has still not been conclusive.

Rather than a bacterial infection, some scientists and physicians have chosen to believe that the Morgellons fibers may be a byproduct of a more complex fungal condition. Morgellons fibers resemble hyphae, which are the primary mode of growth in fungi. This has lead many to the conclusion that Morgellons fibers are part of fungal growth or a possible parasite that is new to the medical and scientific community.

Though Morgellons fibers remain an enigma, one thing is certain for most sufferers: they are miserable and highly disturbing. Whether they are environmental, biological, imaginary or not, Morgellons fibers are the most perplexing factor on the list of symptoms. If not for these fibers, Morgellons would most likely be attributed to other conditions that are commonly known. However, like a lost puzzle piece, Morgellons fibers continue to inhibit a final conclusion on this mysterious condition.



this was the best I could find as far as explaining.

noone knows what the fibers are...they don't match anything we've ever seen before.

godsgrace

[tcmgpt13]

Here is a section of an interesting post that 2manyfibers has made here about the fibers and polysaccarides:

GM crops, organophosphates and Morgellons: is there a connection?

"Dr. Citovsky has also identified the fibers from Morgellons patients as consisting of polysaccharides (which are long chains of “sugars”) as noted in the link and excerpt below:

New skin disorder drawing attention -- -- Newsday.com

"Many [pyhsicians] consider it a psychiatric problem," Citovsky said. "However, there might be something that they develop," he added, underscoring that his laboratory analyses have cracked the chemical puzzle of the fibers.

"They're made up of polysaccharides, sugars," he said. "

A discussion on wikipedia which identifies the types of polysaccharides, of which cellulose is just one type, a structural polysaccharide:

Polysaccharide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are others including acidic polysaccharides such as carboxyl groups and sulfuric esters and bacterial capsule polysaccharides such as bacteria, fungi and algae which may even be a structural component of biofilms. Yet another type of polysaccharide is storage polysaccharides, such as starch and glycogens.

Therefore the word polysaccharides would probably need a more exact definition and more research may be needed in order to find what exactly is meant by the term polysaccharide as it is applied to a morgellons fiber. It is easy to see why some experts might see this as a bacterial or fungal problem as these contain polysaccharides too.

[Kritters]

My fibers look like the cryptostrongylus pulmoni parasite. In fact the same exact entity shows up in just about everything from anywhere on my body I put under the microscope. I'm working on the solution to my scope camera as I write, awaiting once more the technician for the company to either walk me through the problem or I'm sending it back and getting the one Chester has. It has been embedded in specs derived from my intestines>colon, it has been lying on my arm/hand to be plucked up and put under the scope, it has been curled up and appearing to be lint and isn't, I pick a spec of what looks like a grain of salt off my body and under the scope is actually compact, curled up fibers, which look like csp.

I also believe that, while I have other parasites, which may in fact be different stages of this crypto, such as the seed-like chunk I get from the colon which seems to be the factory for their development, I believe they are very comfortable finding a spot and colonizing in a dermal layer of my skin, creeping and crawling through it utilizing their nasty looking little hooks at the end of their skinny, annorexic little wormy bodies as they hook into my sub-cutaneous, ever present galvanized nerves. When I pick a minute, pinpoint sized tiny scab, the blood gushes out as if I poked a hole in a nicely constructed sub-cutaneous bubble-like cyst, invisible to anyone since it's beneath the skin, releasing the life sustaining blood for the parasite, sending them on another chaingang destination under my skin.

I'll try to be more precise in another post ;-)

I'm relaying all this because I guess I don't have the same fibers everyone else does, because I feel very close to certain identification or not when I get them here on the forum.

Wasn't that database they are referencing that of the Navy departmant? Why would we expect them to a) have crypto in their database and b) tell us what it is?

Can't wait to hear the Kaiser Permanente conclusion:

fibers unmatched to any database.....conspiracy to befuddle the CDC.

Kritts

[quimninja]

Originally Posted by godsgrace

After being compared to fibers in the national database of known fibrous elements, Morgellons fibers have not been found identical to any other known substances. They have been found to be consistent with a substance that could be produced by the human body. It has been stated that Morgellons fibers cannot be manmade and are also not made by plants. This is a vague description but it reflects almost everything that is known right now about Morgellons fibers.

In January 2007, Morgellons fibers were found to contain cellulose, the primary component of plants. Cellulose is also used in the makeup of cotton and linen, as well as cellophane. Additionally, patients reporting Morgellons fibers have also tested positively for Agrobacterium, and organism that infects plants and is known to produce cellulose fibers primarily at the infection site. This evidence has been helpful in shedding some light on the mystery of Morgellons fibers but has still not been conclusive.

Rather than a bacterial infection, some scientists and physicians have chosen to believe that the Morgellons fibers may be a byproduct of a more complex fungal condition. Morgellons fibers resemble hyphae, which are the primary mode of growth in fungi. This has lead many to the conclusion that Morgellons fibers are part of fungal growth or a possible parasite that is new to the medical and scientific community.

Though Morgellons fibers remain an enigma, one thing is certain for most sufferers: they are miserable and highly disturbing. Whether they are environmental, biological, imaginary or not, Morgellons fibers are the most perplexing factor on the list of symptoms. If not for these fibers, Morgellons would most likely be attributed to other conditions that are commonly known. However, like a lost puzzle piece, Morgellons fibers continue to inhibit a final conclusion on this mysterious condition.



this was the best I could find as far as explaining.

noone knows what the fibers are...they don't match anything we've ever seen before.

godsgrace

sorry if this appears to sound a bit harsh and isnt aimed at anyone in particular esp:you godsgrace, but im increasingly frustrated at the fact that i do know what these fibers are, but havent had any luck with anyone of credit to talk to about it, i wanted to give this information over straight away to help everyone who has suffered from this, i know you guiys have no reason to believe me as ive not told you what they are, but you have to understand my position, i`m near enough on the street, my wife has left me and i struggle to eat and survive if i venture outside i`m a walking beacon for new morgs and end up with migrains, so i cant go anywhere so i HAVE to get at least something out of this horror movie for my life to progress, every treatment method i`ve put in the forums i have therorised first and tried on myself, yes ok when i thourght these were some kind of insect infestation, i used caustic chemicals etc on my skin, but realised i wasnt dealing with something so simple, had a cpl of theories from fungus to mites, and was proved wrong each time, what i`m moaning about is the unwillingness of people to help...and i mean in general, and yes i do understand that you guys have been let down before, and each case has some symptoms in common while others remain alien to each other, i thourght i`d proved pretty much that i knew what i was talking about with different descriptions of treatment methods etc and the crazy questions ive asked with regards to some of the strangest of symptoms, i have honestly seen this in all it`s shape shifting glory attacking myself and my wife, i know it`s not you guys fault that no o0ne will reply but seems the only people out of the growing number of sufferers is pat ,carla,jo and kritts, please dont take this the wrong way, it`s almost as if the end of the mystery/war is in sight that many of you who have had these bloody thingsas companions for years and would be of most help, seem to not want to because you`ve worked so hard and learnt so much trying to fights these,....what i`m saying peeps is i need help i really dont know who to contact at all, every email or message remains unanswered, i just dont want to have to write a feckin book which in a years time most of you will read and say well feck me, it`s not so much a theory now as every test i try and every concievable situation i test in my head and can explain, please help peeps, theres no point me even keeping my machone if no one will even be willing to look at it,
although carla`s welcome to try lol, sorry if this has offended, it`s just those words that i highlighted above make me a bit mad with myself for not being able to get this out there where not just you guys gain but i can finally get my life back together, right rant over.......sorry again.....but helllllpppppp

[pat]

Godsgrace is right in what she says.Kritts Hildy staninger has written much about these fibres.they are an unknown substance.
In my case I would say they are definitely linked to fungus.They look like the scrapings from a pure wool jumper and have a pale pale blue colour.I can get out of shower and rub my hands under a bedside light and tons of them fly off.The chicks hut is full of them on a morning and they are hanging from the door on the outside.But down there everything is loaded with the black speck fungus,trees,huts,paths all of it.This is all tied in in someway.
Something very strange happened last night.Well something happens every night but this was weird.I happened to notice the security light on in middle of night.Looked out and there were thousands (no kidding)of some sort of fly that was glowing- flying around the lamp which is situated up towards roof.As i watched it seemed that thousands more were tumbling from the roof downwards and they were glowing.All flying around the lamp.I have never seen them before and I have spent nights leaning out of the window planning to down cop helicopter when its woke me up Never never seen anything like it.Mind boggling.This was at 3am.We do not have flies that fly around at dark moths yes-no flies.
Then on news today it says that unexplained glowing orange lights were seen over the area .Some numbskull from the UFO magazine said it was nothing to get yer knickers in a twist over.Said one light would be interesting several weren't-it was probably some sort of floating bin liner thing with a light on.Honest thats what he said-I wonder what he's on then.I have never heard anything so daft in my life.Floating plastic bags with lights on!!!I know we have a refuse problem here but never realised folk were sending it into space.What a good idea,that'll save me killing a dustbin man.
Well if its aliens I'll go with them -willingly,this planet is pants now,as long as they don't have a govt and they have cheap fuel for me Lexus it'll be fine with me.
On a serious note I do wonder if it was connected to the glowing flies.

[quimninja]

pat, yes connected to the glowing flies, but only a symptom not the cause

[Kritters]

what is it you need? I'm not understanding. get a bunch of people together there in the UK and an attorney with you all and write this down, record it and copyright it. Then post it all on youtube and since you have the rights, you can go ahead and put it out there. Of course, there's no guarantee you will be safe with this as your information, but if you put it out there and no one else can prove they did it first, you will get the credit.

Kritts

[quimninja]

i did rant a bit there sorry guys

[Kritters]

Pat...
Can't you grab one of those suckers? Then send it to one of our researchers.
Kritts