Hijacked

[Steve Frey]

If you haven't been to Lymebusters lately you might want to just stop in and see what the conspiracy theoriy crowd are up to, if nothing else you'll probably get a good laugh out of it. On a more serious note, this group of conspiracy theorists has literally hijacked the morgellons issue and turned it into a platform where anything goes, nothing is too ridiculous for this crowd, from government agents in black suv's spying on them to alien abductions to black helicopters to sprinkling holy water around their houses.

Here's a couple lines from one of the more vocal members Godsgrace

"One more way for them to control us....with fear. I saw on the news last night that they can't find the source of the salmonella filled tomatoes. I LAUGHED OUTLOUD!!! They can find my house and garage via satellite even though there are millions of them but they can't find the source of the outbreak? e-coli in thousands of fields of spinach. Let me guess, one worker didn't wash their hands, right??? LOL The gov't can't find the source of these outbreaks, how interesting. Just like noone could find the source of my CFS/Fibro. coincidence? I think not."


"DOP, paranoia, insane or not rational. All mental problems, all connected.

adding years to morgellon's acceptance is not our concern finding the truth is.

If that entails stories of being followed, aliens, unexplained physical components and an "illness" with bugs, worms, hairs, fungus, bacteria, viruses, algae parasites, molds ect growing out of people's bodies... than so be it."


"There are a lot of people here who know alot of information about the "real ways of the world"....not the pseudo-matrix we are lead to believe that the world is. We are a threat to them, that's why they follow us. Many people have been murdered over the years for knowing too much, opening their mouths or not going along with the plan..."

"For me the betrayal was the worst!! It was the hardest aspect to deal with for me mentally.
Everything I thought was reality, in fact, was not"

Here's some from Glennb

"Now that it appears that the gov is trying to exterminate us all the DNA collection part of this makes a lot of sense as a DNA bank would be a valuable resource for them to have and exploit long after the original DNA holders are gone."

"I think the common thread that connects abductions and black suvs to Morgellons is that we are realizing (this is my opinion anyway) that reality as many of us have experienced it, the reality that we are presented with and conditioned to believe in is really not the way it is at all. Our so called reality is a manipulated bubble floating on top of a vast other reality of deep black secrets, the occult workings of black magic adepts, things going on that don't fit what most of us see as reality."

or these from another member bessie

"Once again I will say that the explanation that encompasses and accounts for all aspects of this thing is this: Smart dust containing snips of genetic material from all kinds of things - plants, animals, insects, fungus, mycoplasm ".

IF you go with the premise that "we" are being experimented on, then that opens a Pandora's box of other things that may go with it, including different kinds of surveillance. So many on this board have reported seeing/feeling structures or sensations that seem like sensors or communication systems in their bodies. I have heard the same thing on some of the radio shows. This isn't just a parasitic disorder.
Bessie "

If you care about whether or not morgellons ever gets acknowledged by the mainstream then you should be concerned about the influence of this group who is clearly having an adverse affect on our cause.

[Kritters]

Hi Steve,
Thanks for bringing this to our attention! What do you think our efforts should entail? Should we join the forum to jump on their cases? I look forward to squelching this BS.
Kritts

[Steve Frey]

I think thats exactly what needs to be done. I think it is important for the rest of the world to know that everyone with morgellons is not a conspiracy theorist with an insane mind. Just imagine what a person who has no knowledge of morgellons is going to be thinking when they read the ramblings you can find on that site, and the worst part is they are in complete control over there and dominating the daily posts, it's becoming a very real problem. I know there must be a large group of the members there that feel the same way I do but apparently they're affraid to say anythiing out of fear of being jumped by this ever growing group.

[Steve Frey]

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.

2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.

5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.

7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.

8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.

9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.

10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the b gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.

A person who always says the same thing, and says it over and over again is, of course, commonly considered to be, if not a monomaniac, then at very least, a bore.

Ten characteristics of conspiracy theorists - a look into the mond of conspiraloons, nutjobs and tin foil hatters

[browncircles]

* I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
o These words were first used by Hall, writing under the pseudonym of Stephen G. Tallentyre in The Friends of Voltaire (1906). They were not a quote, but a paraphrase of Voltaire's attitudes, based on his Essay on Tolerance where he asserts: "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too". Its ultimate origin may lie in a letter to M. le Riche (February 6, 1770): "Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write."
o This statement was misattributed to Voltaire as a "Quotable Quote" in Reader's Digest (June 1934), but in response to others misattributing it, Hall had declared: "I did not mean to imply that Voltaire used these words verbatim and should be surprised if they are found in any of his works."
o The 1906 paragraph in which the statement first appears reads:

"On the Mind" [De l'Esprit by Helvétius] became not the success of the season, but one of the most famous books of the century. The men who had hated it and had not particularly loved Helvétius, flocked round him now. Voltaire forgave him all injuries, intentional or unintentional. 'What a fuss about an omelette!' he had exclaimed when he heard of the burning. How ainably unjust to persecute a man for such an airy trifle as that! 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,' was his attitude now.

[Jo]

I've come across a number of morgellon sufferers that say "I've never believed in conspiracy theories before, but now..... I think "maybe"

Is it a trick of the disease itself???

I'm one of the people that has leaned towards conspiracy a number of times recently - again, not like me.

Maybe its a bit of paranoia setting in and a big dose of fear.......and wanting someone to blame.

I'm keeping my feet on the ground.

I share some of your frustation Steve. Also I've been trying to contact one member in particular, but my registration has been pending and pending. Shame, cuz we really need to be pulling in the same direction, more than ever.

Jo xxx

[Kritters]

browncircles....I'm not getting your message. Can you be specific?

[dereck72]

Stop being a troublemaker...this thread should be pulled. Running from oned board to complain on another is pretty childish if you ask me. Just stop it, that itself is counterproductive. Yeah, there are some who believe all kinds of strange theories that you might not agree with (ie. the world is round). Sometimes it does take thinking outside the box to get to the truth. Sure, there are some who's ideas sound really strange to me, but I can say that the way you've posted here to attack others and rally for dividing us is just plain mean. Are you even suffering from this, or are you looking to gain here in some other way. Attacking peoples character is not way to get your point across. I remember you posting that you were interested in donating some gambling winnings to morgellons research how'd that ever play out? You sure got a lot of attention when you offered to donate 25k out of the blue when nobody ever heard of you before. Maybe thats why you're here, for attention?? There are better ways to go about it, get a dog, make new friends, but don't sit in the house cooking up ways to start conflicts on the internet, thats just a waste of everyones time!

[Tootsie]

Hi all long time no talk

I dont suggest starting board wars Steve and Kritts.LOL

Even though I agree with some of what you say I dont think it will solve anything or help the issue.


Kisses and peace. Friski

[jonsi]

We are not alone in this universe.

I am not Catholic but found this quite interesting:

Pope's astronomer on ET - Boing Boing
Pope's astronomer on ET
Posted by David Pescovitz, May 14, 2008 10:20 AM | permalink
Vatican chief astronomer Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes spoke publicly about his acceptance that we might not be alone in the universe. According to an interview with him in Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, the existence of ET "doesn't contradict our faith." From the Associated Press:

"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes said. "Just as we consider earthly creatures as 'a brother,' and 'sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother'? It would still be part of creation..."

The Bible "is not a science book," Funes said, adding that he believes the Big Bang theory is the most "reasonable" explanation for the creation of the universe. The theory says the universe began billions of years ago in the explosion of a single, super-dense point that contained all matter.

But he said he continues to believe that "God is the creator of the universe and that we are not the result of chance."
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I know several people that have had extraterrestrial experiences. From visitations to abductions; from living in an area that is very active where UFO's are seen weekly to "Mother Ships" hovering over houses.

Steve, you opened up this thread and in doing so should expect some debate.

There will always be believers and non-believers. Personal truth is what makes one become a believer and to be told that something just isn't so is to call someone a liar.

I am not a liar. I have Morgellons. I also believe in extra-terrestrals and I believe I am a light worker. The first ghost/spirit I talked to was Jesus, so this labels me as a Christian in faith.

Now the Pope says it is ok to believe in extra-terrestrials (ie you aren't doomed to go to hell if you believe ETs exist).

Check out the "Dulce" book on underground tunnels and what experiments are occurring inside of our earth. Area 51 in Nevada, Human Genome Department at LANL, Los Alamos, NM (my town). Chem-trails are real. Our Lady of Fatima and the three girls was an ET experience.

In the white light,
~jonsi

ps. to dereck72: You wrote: "I remember you posting that you were interested in donating some gambling winnings to morgellons research how'd that ever play out? You sure got a lot of attention when you offered to donate 25k out of the blue when nobody ever heard of you before. Maybe thats why you're here, for attention??" Steve has been here for a long time and didn't come "out of the blue". His research is valid and I really do value his work. Steve had my attention way before he got lucky at the casino! Who says he's not using this cash on his own research? ...it is none of my business.