"And now our Children", Chlamydiae

[jonsi]

copied from www.carnicom.com (Aerosol Crimes)

AND NOW OUR CHILDREN
Clifford E Carnicom
Jan 05 2008

Observation of blood samples from numerous individuals has intensified over the past couple of weeks. A more detailed analysis of the anomalies first reported in the paper Blood Testing has taken place and it is continuing. In the interest of full and rapid disclosure of research underway, this paper reports the following:

1. A preliminary assessment as to the nature of one of two primary structural forms within the blood anomalies has been reached. This effort has been necessary due to the failures of the Centers for Disease Control, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the professional medical communities at large. The assessment is not final by any means, but due to its importance as an avenue for immediate investigation it istobe released. I am not offering or providing any medical advice or opinion in this report. I have no medical expertise and I claim none. Information provided here comes strictly from theposition of analysis and observation. The assessment is that Chlamydiae or Chlamydiae-like organisms should be considered as a leading candidate for investigation in the Morgellon's pursuit as well as in the investigation of the aerosol operations. A more detailed analysis of the rationale behind that assessment will be provided in another paper, Agents of Infection as time and circumstance permit.

2. The anomalies in a variety of blood samples have transcended the age factor, and they have now also been observed in the same fashion and form within the blood of a nine year old child.

In brief, the method of assessment is as follows:

1. The organism involved must measure on the order of sub-micron, generally on the order of 0.5 to 0.7 microns.

2. The organism is an intra-cellular organism, and can exist within human red blood cells (erythrocytes).

3. The organism is likely to be associated with respiratory conditions and is circulated by aerosol means.

4. The organism is spherical to oblate, but can can exist in more than one form (pleomorphic).

5. Gram stain procedures applied to the blood samples should produce a gram-negative result.

6. The same form, at least by inspection and measurement, should in general be present in diverse Morgellon physical samples, the airborne fibers under long term investigation(EPA refused) and the blood of Morgellon individuals. The general population may also demonstrate a marked presence of the pathogen.

7. The illnesses that are associated with the Chlamydiae genus should correlate with increasing and pervasive ailments and diseases.

8. Recorded observations of the pathogen must match the accumulated observations of this researcher.

Considerable attention has been given to the consideration of alternative explanations, such as blood platelet imbalances,conventional bacterial and fungal forms. Although all pathogens remain under consideration a focus on Chlamydia-like groups is in place. The Chlamydiae-like group(with a special interest in Chlamydia pneumoniae) satisfies the above conditions to the degree that is understood. Again, this assessment is not intended to be final, but it is offered as the best assessment by this researcher to date. It is not at all unexpected that modification of a Chlamydia group could take place(e.g., mycoplasma combinations). In addition, the relationships to the second structural form(sub-micron filament network and bounding filaments) will need to be provided.

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The nine year old in this report is my daughter. I am working on putting the face of Morgellons out to the public. As-so-far the skin and blood anomalies have been attributed to age factor. Clearly, this is not the case.

It is time we shoulder the responsibility of finding the cause of and "cure" for Morgellons. I, for one, can not wait for the CDC, EPA, Government and the Medical Society to step up to the plate. My daughter's health and my health are too important.

~jonsi

[Jo]

Thanks Jonsi for posting this - important stuff. I'm with you in spirit and my heart reaches out to you and your daughter. I agree about wanting action. We need to be one loud voice, I believe, to get noticed.
Jo xx

[Jason]

I agree i think Cpn is the underlying suppression of ones immune system causing the resulting Morgellons symptoms

[Kritters]

Originally Posted by Jason

I agree i think Cpn is the underlying suppression of ones immune system causing the resulting Morgellons symptoms

Hi Jason,
Would you explain further about that? I think it possible Cpn is suppressing the immune systems or is the culprit itself, but what exactly do you think causes the symptoms (lesions, fibers etc.)?

thanks,
Kritts

[Jason]

Hi Kritters,

I guess thats the mysterious part re: fibres and lesions i don't actually have the lesions and fibres at the most i had in respect to lesions was pimple like spots that were not pimples, some would scar but nothing major compared to some people. I get the crawling and stinging sensations - nowadays its just a shadow to what it use to be. A lot of my symptoms were also internal i think my case seems to be more like lyme disease and chronic fatigue syndrome with the Morgellon like crawling and stinging.

The doctor i saw believed Cpn is the initial infection which then brings rise to the other opportunistic infections like borreliosis and microfilarial worms. But i still cant see how opportunistic infections would cause fibres, maybe skin lesions but really have no idea. The leading lyme doctors too i think you will find dont understand the fibres. A lot of people and doctors have their own theories but nothing yet is really substantiated and until that day we will live in wonder i guess.

Sorry i can't answer your question Kritts

[Kritters]

Hi Jason,
That's okay, I was asking you to clarify what you meant by the 'resulting Morgellons symptoms' in your sentence. I wasn't sure if you meant that the one pre-existing organism like CPn opens the gate for another which causes Morg symptoms (which are different in people) or that causes the Morg symptoms on their own. The former seems to be the case, I think you agree.

I have probably the same as you, based on what your symptoms are. I wonder if everyone has the same 'fibers' (if they do have fibers) If the fibers coming out of the skin, or are perceived to be coming from the skin are what people refer to as 'fuzzballs' I have to say I have found the fuzzballs to be coiled fungi since viewing mine under the scope. I think they are circulating in the air in my home and having found their way into my body, either through inhalation or by another means, my body is attempting to eliminate them through the immune system, so when there is a lesion I would in the past see tiny versions of a thread-like substance when viewing through a magnifying glass. I only have a few sporadic lesions such as those you describe, but nothing to the degree I did initially.

I think others like Nancy may have something different. In finding the answers for one person, we will most likely find them for every one of us.

Best,
Kritts

[Jo]

I reckon my fibres are fungi - they have always burnt under a candle flame. If I rub zinc cream into my skin, fibres exit out of my pores - so I know mine come from within.

I've had an email from the German researcher Marc Neumann who makes DSP. He's posting his final report this month from his research. He believes that Chlamydia pneumoniae, actinomycetes apergillus and other infections can cause the same symptoms. Therefore there is no one cure for each because everybody can have different infections related to morgellons.

He mentioned that his report will contain, where they are coming from, what they are and how to fight them more specifically.

[Jason]

I think you will see in some of Dr Harvey's initial reports he said the same that different infections were found in different patients and the medications were chosen based on the lab results.

I know the whole year before i got the crawling and stinging on the skin, something was wrong i was having severe headaches, pain in the sleen area, swollen glands, anxiety attacks out of nowhere. It was all very weird from being outright healthy to being unwell every day. Looking back i feel something infected me then and after a year i went travelling for 3 months and got bitten by bed bugs, mosquitos, sand flys etc and then it all got worse.

The internal symptoms for me have been reversed by antibiotics which to me points to some of this being bacterial but i still can't work out how the crawling comes about. The doctor i saw seemed to think it was the Microfilarial worms and that Ivermectin would knock them out, but it never really did. I do have to say though the crawling and stinging has lessened. I find that swimming in chlorine drives it out quite strongly, so i am going to experiment with some more pool visits!

[Jo]

Its all moving in the right direction. Pain in the sleen area hey?? sounds painful!!
Its weird thinking back to all the instances that have spurred our infections on...my stories similar. Last time I went swimming I could see white bits coming out of my pores fast. Tell me what pool your using??..I must avoid it at all costs

I had the same hopes re the ivermectin. The clothes I'm wearing, I'd soaked in salt for a couple of hours yesterday before washing them (in use half cup of borax and squirt of ammonia in machine) - I havent had any itchyness yet, so think its a winner. (Marc's suggestion) He also said to take special mineral salt internally, which I'm trying. If I cant get better pqd my degree is down the tubes, doh.

[hilly]

Hi Jo, I'm glad you've heard from Marc Neuman.. he's a great chap and has done so much research.. must email him myself.. Been having some bad days with the fatigue, just feel like sleeping all the time and thoroughly worn out tho' I've not really done very much. Also getting so many of the black (mainly) fibres coming off my face and neck and shoulders. Keep wiping and looking at them with my magnifying glass and they just glare back at me ;<( Millyx