Seasprites great find

[al]

O Oh bugger, bugger, bugger I dont even wish to go here, more tightly wound theories.
But tightly wound is the key.
The excerpt which follows is from Seasprite, but to my mind it neatly covers all the bases, if we are to look at morgellons as an inverted pyramid, by this I mean that there is possibly one agent responsible, but following initial infection, the body through altered pheremone production, acts as a host and a metamorpic transitional vessel for other organisms.
Here is the link, thankyou Seasptite; the numbers in brackets are mine, these are points I will attempt to address.



"Strongylus monospinigerum - (temporary name given for this in China)

General description:

An unidentified organism, which is infesting more and more homes across the country.(1) This particular creature apparently houses itself in lint-like fibers which it seems to weave into a tiny ball, like a nest or cocoon,(2) and contacting human skin via floors or clothing, bores into human tissue to take up residence in the body. (3)(Regular laundering with hot water and detergent apparently do nothing to kill the organism in clothing).(4) Once in the body the following symptoms result: (5)

- Open itchy lesions on the skin appear (from tiny holes to many millimeters in length)(6)
- Intestinal discomfort begins or slight anal discomfort(7)
- Straight red lines (track marks) just under the skin are sometimes seen(
- A "crawling" sensation is repeatedly felt on the skin and scalp, although nothing is visible to the naked eye(9)
- Fatigue and lowered resistance to disease develops over time(10)
- Localized muscle pains occur(11)
- Sharp, painful tinges in tissue are felt(12)
- Blood (reddish brown) spots can be seen which over time move from deep tissue areas to the surface of the skin (13)

Upon recent investigation by Microbial Diagnostics, Inc., the following was observed concerning selected samples of the lint-like balls:

Dr. Steven Doggett's observations:

“Regarding the samples: contained approximately 15 structures. At the macroscopic level, each appeared to be small masses of lint or natural fibers approximately 0.5 to 1 mm in diameter. At the microscopic level (examined at 100x and 450x), the structures appear as tightly woven, but irregularly shaped stands of natural fibers. Each mass consists of a heterogeneous assemblage of fibers – the vast majority of fibers lack color and are somewhat consistent with Figure 6 provided by Dr. Amin's Parasitetesting.com web site:
http://www.myplanet.net/yeec60bp/figure6.jpg (14)
Approximately 20-30% of the fibers were tinted blue, approximately 5% were tinted red, and less than 5% were
tinted green. Each structure varied in its specific assemblage of colored fibers. Some lacked colored
fibers altogether or contained only one a single tinted fiber, which was usually blue or red. Occasional wool
fibers were also seen and these appeared as dark brown. In my opinion, most if not all of the fibers are
natural - likely cotton or paper and some wool. (15)

Also present within the fibrous matrix were occasional fungal spores. These spores are typical of cross
contamination by background levels of spores suspended in indoor air or deposited as constituents of indoor
dust. There was absolutely no indication that the fibrous structures are fungal in origin or that fungi
co-exist within the assemblage other than by chance alone.”
"Two of the 15 structures contained a single nematode-like organism. (16)Although this is outside my area of expertise, the morphology was most similar to filariform larvae of hookworms or possibly a larval form of Ascaris (roundworm). The organisms were identical in morphology. Their presence was not readily observable because each structure had to be carefully teased apart to reveal the inner “core”. If present, this is where the organism is found." Two of the 15 structures contained a single nematode-like organism. Although this is outside my area of expertise, the morphology was most similar to
filariform larvae of hookworms or possibly a larval form of Ascaris (roundworm). The organisms were
identical in morphology. Their presence was not readily observable because each structure had to be
carefully teased apart to reveal the inner "core". If present, this is where the organism is found.

The above phenomenon may reflect a portion of the organism's life cycle. Perhaps the organism uses the
fibers for protection and dispersal (fibers would become readily aerosolized - especially those that are
less than 1mm in diameter). I was impressed with the fact that each structure is tightly compacted or woven
- but this is not to suggest that the fibers originate from the organism; rather I feel that the fibers
originate from your home (e.g. clothing) and the larvae becomes entrapped within the fibers - or the organism
purposely organizes the fibers into a protective "cocoon". (17) It would seem very odd indeed that the
fibers would enter your skin as you describe. But even if just a few of the fibers entered your skin and assuming this is similar to Dr. Amin's observations, this could explain the incidence of fungal or other
microbial infections - these fibers are anything but sterile. The appearance on external human skin as observed by Dr. Amin would suggest that the cocoons are shed upon entry. The organism may not complete its
life cycle within a human host - as occurs for some species of Ascaris that are specific for other animals
but may enter human hosts with varying degrees of effect. In some instances visceral larva migrans are observed."




Let us now go through the points I have numbered, by no means a complete list of all the relevant details, but enough to apply the "known knowns" algorythm;

(1)Infecting homes; this raises a very salient issue. Is this a house toxicity issue, rather than a compromised immune system status?

(2)The fuzz balls we all see are possibly this cocoon, if so, people, we can now see the enemy!!!

(3)Boring sensations, acute, painful and invisible excepting perhaps a reddish welt. Boring, indeed.

(4)Impervious to normal washing, here we see the use of products, help me here please Bubba, to kill the organism in its various life stages. I think vinegar, oxygenated washing powder, borax are products for the wash, but as I do not actually know, it would be best to consult Bubba's treatment steps.

(5)According to Staninger there are 93 separate symptoms. That means 93 different variables at play on this line of the algorythm alone, each with a different cause/effect route in the body, on the mind and psyche.

(6)The lesion...this line of the algorhthym has a routing shift at the very start; has the lesion been disturbed? Y/N?
If yes, then physiological and auto-immune events will occur at a different rate than if the area is left undisturbed.

(7)Intestinal disturbance and anal discomfort; Dr George Schwartz suggested FOOD GRADE diatomecaecous earth to lacerate the adhesions on the spleen, above the hip, below the rib, left hand side. I spoke to Dr Schwartz on the phone at length last year and he described the lacerating effect on the mucoid adhesions. Thanks Doc. As to the anal discomfort, thankfully we restrain ourselves from unabashed pooh talk, but I always, always need to know the location of the nearest loo, and am often thankful for the solitude of a quiet corner to scratch my butt. That, too ,is boring.

(Subdermal veinous reddening, its just the way that it colonizes the body, looks like sepsis. Perhaps, at this line of the algorythm, we need to take some clinical notes, to range the quotient and measure the domain of the spread through the body, is it an early marker like the "bulls eye rash" or is it an environmental factor, like the lunar cycle, or pollution etc etc.

(9) That "crawling " sensation. We need to, once again clinically quantify the whens, the wheres and the strength of the sensation, juxtaposed against normal lifestyle activities. For example I feel "better" and "cleaner" when I am in the bush; is it because of the absence of exposure to the "toxic house syndrome" or urban pollutants, be they carbon monoxide or other, more subtle and devious nasties. So, at this line of the algorythm we can put in the times, places and events which bring the sensation to its maximum degree of irritation.

(10) Fatigue, we all feel it, it is our greatest fight, and to alter the attitude to laugh at the "feeling" of tiredness and get outside to kick a goal, is, in my opinion the best way to square up to the challenges we face. All is mental....be a winner. Anticipate success. On this line of the algorythm put in Willpower and steely determination to overcome fatigue and it's attendant maladies.

(11)Muscle soreness and the spasms and twitching are uncannily similar to restless leg and Ecks, but I am not ruling anything in or out, simply collating facts; my leg twinges 30 minutes after retiring when the ELF beam hits me...I'm joking, I hope...

(12) Those twinges, just build up and dart, but at this point of the equation we again, must clinically, and objectively note and collate.

(13)Indicates mobility in the body, or a metamorphic change, where are all the microbiologists?

(14)This line is easy, Smilykins was right "Simplicity is the answer to all complex things". Looking at this line of the algorythm in isolation would cause us to wonder where these fibers appear from? Nature is full of fibers of all types and cotton is cited as being an agent of infection, so my point is fiber "stripping"; i.e. the towel which disintegrates? Fiber stripped, socks, the same. This explains the unusual lint build up we see in affected houses. Interesting? Logical?

(15)Cotton, paper and wool.....sounds like the little bugger is a pac man, fibre stripping by day nesting in a sybiotic cocoon with.... what? At this point the algorythm needs a big belly, to take in the following possible symbiotic components and the resultant variables which ensue. The possible symbiotic organisms co-extant with strongylus are Byrozoan, agrobacterium, collemba, e coli and others existing within the body, and external, within the cocoon, outside the body, spiders with metallic thorax non invasive to human host, but still able to effect its venom through the plasma exchange with the stronglylus and the spider which also lives in some, larger cocoons. The stronglylus feeds the spider our fluids and the spider houses the stronglylus? Does the spider build the cocoon, shredding fibres for its task? As I said, this line of the algorythm needs lateral thought, clinical notation and rigorous scrutiny, for it is at this point where the furiously spinning pendulum of theories loses cadence.

(16) Nematodes are identifiable by the segented rotary motion they exhibit, being bi-refringent, they will be visible against light. Bi refringent means to retract light.

(17) Therefore, we must look beyond our bodies, cease trying to pin it down to a single organism or biological process.

If it is natural, it is indeed remarkable, that such diverse kingdoms, from arachnids(spiders), through roundworms, nematodes and perhaps those wee translucent "moths" to byrozoans and mycoplasmas to agrobacterium, minus the Ti gene, to e. coli, can form a symboitic system capable of such complexity?
One marvels at nature if it is so.


I hope this helps, I know its long , but it is the way to see the issue.
Lets look at the 17 lines as if it is a computer program.
Then we define the issue morgellons, we demystify it, we advance with knowledge.

But I have to ask Why are we forced to speculate and defend our illness and live in isolation, spectred by the thoughts of no relief.

Why?

[ladycolorado]

Al i find this post Higly interesting and informative. I have always believed these fibers housed something. (LC)

[aussiedave]

nicely said al.

I need an editor in real life, itd be magic

Ill assume u read my 2 points to add to the real post above, before they were deleted.
Paricularly the low atmospheric pressure observation, which i think might be useful.

Im curious where you arei n australia, because an ally wouldnt hurt at the Dr.s down the track to my way of thinking. Even one with terrible taste in literature

[al]

now that we have all settled, could we discuss the points?
I reckon you and I AussieDave should get together, maybe Mr Rudd will help us.

[aussiedave]

probably , is there anything he can't do?

he's ruddtastic

Im from sydney but somewhere in my confused wanderings to escape this filthy show Ive ended holed up in perth.

Have a g.p. here who is relatively open minded about it but stumped as far as action is concerned. However if there is any progress it wouldnt hurt to have him compare notes with yours, I would have thought.

[al]

Ok my Doctor is as confuzed as amazed and as stumped as the rest.
A few years ago he said I was clutching at straws when I said I had Morgellons, now he reads what literature there is and is amazed and my symptoms as listed.
Treatment?
He is convinced that punch biopsy removal is a therapuetic tool to assist the body in destroying the 'colony' or 'hive'.
And thats all he is convinced of, but a sceptical doctor is not a bad thing once they realize the severity of the affliction.
A skewed critical analysis is required, there are heaps of variables at play, stages of life cycle etc.

[aussiedave]

Well 4th December is a possible big day. Checking my eye again in the microscope.

Its a really handy place for them to live, observation wise

And while they are stumped about what they are, and naturally sceptical of parasites. The good Dr.s cant deny the evidence of their own eyes.

And this represents hope. I will keep u posted so keep coming here until at least december 4

[al]

Hope is great Dave, its like a warm inner glow.
Yes atmospheric pressure seems to affect it.
So has this current full moon...we just need a format to get all the variables into play, then play with the 'x', until we nail it.
It's called deductive reasoning, not genius, not a dot of it.
Just old fasioned detective footpad work, identify the variables, eliminate the background noise and we might just be able to join the dots.
All we need to do is quantify the 93 symptoms on line (5) to work out cause and effect, or, as an example, a simple and crude equation for pain: if(x)>(y)thenz<0; thus to work out pain. Let (x) be pain, let (y)be pain threshold, then z is the level of pain; quantifiable, known.
Its a pity I dont really have any more than the sketchiest notion of how to take it to the degree that it could be done.
The equation called E8 operates on a similar principle, and I am not scared to delve into areas beyond my field of knowledge to unearth the answers.
Guesswork opens the door for critical analysis, I dont care if I'm right, I am happy to be wrong, so long as the Truth emerges.
By formulating an algorythm for morgellons, we may well be able to use predictive analysis to effectively articulate the appropriate medications suitable for the particular stage of infection and lifecycle stages which occur with this condition, so that when new people present, they will be able to clearly understand the particular stage at which the diagnosis is made then treatment should be immediate and relief also immediate.
We will be able to do this by compiling a database of facts, relevant to the 93 symptoms and as many sub-indices required to analyze the complete picture. ie toxic house, exposure to overhead wires and other environmental issues.

[ladycolorado]

From what i have heard so far from those in 100 percent remission, and from my own experience I have a pretty simple idea of two ways to approaching the fighting of this disease. Ones first instinct is to kill off the disease as much as possible. Never seems like it can all be killed, although killing some of it off seems to give relief. Killing it off TOO aggressively or foolishly can actually weaken us, and long term does more harm than good. The key, I think is not so much kill it, but get our bodies back up to the point where it no longer can harm us and we are no longer sensitive to it. A good analogy is being out in the rain with sopping wet clothes vs. warm clothes and a slicker. Morgellons Disease is like driving rain. In the first scenario, we are vulnerable and unprotected and the rain can make us ill. In the second example, we are protected and the rain rolls right off and is unable to harm us. as far as factors, YES they have importance but there are many, as this disease preys on whatever weaknesses it can find. This is why some of our stories differ. One member I have spoken with coined a phrase I really like, which the doc told them that they would be desensitized to Morgellons Disease, this person is currently in 100 percent remission. This wording DOES make sense to me, and also implies a type of "allergic reaction". Some have argument with this idea, but think about this example: one who is not sensitive to strawberries can eat them, while those allergic can get great big hives. Al, YES there is something VERY different about us. In my time in here on a very old thread which search or going through Franky's posts does not pull up is a morgellons study using a medicine Antimony, a medicine for Leishmaniasis to see if it helps because that disease has similarities to Morgellons disease. What happened? ALL 15 DIED. Was it because something was different about us and broke down one too many things in these patients thus they died? Possibly. Antimony is not the best medicine anyway, yet I find it most odd. ??? Anyway these ideas are just what I think based on my observations and what I observe on this message board and hearing what others say when the find their own path out of this mess, (LC).

[al]

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y9_...R09p8#PPA39,M1