Artmenisin and avoiding reinfection

[Charles555]

Just started using hepalin 100 (artemisin) 500mg total every other day until next week when I'll take it every day. It seems to be working alot, especially with cold parts of my body and numbness. Im actually impressed because i thought i was taking enough meds to effect the parasites but I guess without a direct anti-parasite, treatment doesnt make a direct dent into some symptoms. I was also curious to other people's experience with artemisin and how other people avoid reinfecting themselves (Bubba?). Please everyone keep it positive on this thread.

[Bakunin]

Originally Posted by Charles555

It seems to be working alot, especially with cold parts of my body and numbness.

Well, that has nothing to to with the desease it self. Artemisin, which is a substance extracted from a plant knows as Artemisiae annuae or Qing Hao, improves the blood circulation (Durchblutung) of the body. It's one of the known effects. There are other, cheaper and non-poison substances and herbals with similar effects on the blood circulation... (like Ginkgo - "Ginkgo biloba" for example)

[tcmgpt13]

Who told you that arteminsin might have no direct effect against this disease? I totally disagree about that. Arteminsin has more than one effect on the blood. It is being used against malaria and is very effective especially when combined with other herbs. This is a blood borne parasite in some stage I think. I believe it hides in liver/gall bladder as does malaria. So this may have some effect on the parasites in the blood. Anyway, it sounds, from the original post as if this person was under a doctor's care.

best,

tcm

[BugSick]

tmc

I have to agree with you in your point that this must hide in the liver or gall bladder and then move through our blood stream from there.....

Both my husband and I have had our liver counts shooting off the charts after he was infected at his job.....and one fellow maintenance co-worker died 4 years after being infected at this job site from liver failure.....and other co-workers or someone from their immediate family have had liver counts shooting off the charts......so this definately hits your liver and hard too.....both of our livers counts have subsided back to normal but we are sicker than dogs still.....

In fact that was one of my first symptoms to show was my liver counts off the charts.....they didn't know what to do with me as far as a diagnosis and slipped me into this Hep B category even though I didn't fit there.....they though well maybe I had sex with someone that had Hep B.....because I was not a drug user so that was out of the question.....

I wonder how that Stats for Hep B are since the early 1990's I bet they have rocketed and blamming it all on drug use and sexual contact with others.....when many could have been Morgellons infected....

Yes this is in the Blood of the infected.......it transferred from my husband's daughter that we infected to her pre-mature baby......this DOES transfer from mother to baby.......and could be the reason pre-mature births and low birth weight babies are skyrocketing also.....

They have created a nation of chronically ill with their ignorant idea of cleaning the environment with live microscopic organisms......how they thought this would not infect everything is beyound me.....

In fact my husband and his co-workers forced to work around these organisms with NO SAFETY at all for their well being......asked the Lab Scientists on many occasions.......ARE YOU SURE THIS IS SAFE........

Well this is NOT SAFE.....and they have created the Blunder of the Century....with this ignorant idea of theirs.....including the use of these microbes in our pesticides with no controls on any of it......a free for all for some 20 years now......this is only going to get worse because they still are doing this every day and it is out of control in every way possible.....

Now the infected can infect others and thus whole families and whole wildlife herds are facing this wasting disease and washing up on our beaches by the hundreds....they have all gotten into this wonderful idea of theirs.......the very same labs that work on BioWarFare have created this BioRemediation and BIOpesticides.....it doesn't take rocket science to figure this out when a whole maintenance crew is sick with Morgellons from being forced to work on the equpment necessary for these organisms to live with NO SAFETY PROCEDURES.......ZERO, NADA....no concern for their well being at all.....

Now we have four generations infected with Morgellons.......and every pet that has been in our home since 1993 has been infected........

You might as well add myopathy to the list because we now have had two dogs from different litters diagnosed with dialited cardiomyopathy since being infected.....imagine that.....heart disease from these organisms in our pets.....

[tcmgpt13]

Hi Bugsick,

Yes, I am sure there is more to this than meets the eye. It is sickening the way the environment is being treated as a great big genetic experiment, almost world wide: food, water and air. So difficult to avoid what one wants to avoid in the way of "nasties."

Hope you saw my post to you awhile back about Consumer Reports magazine doing an article on nano technology where they discuss the many disturbing trends in this area--even discussing how workers are mostly not being protected when working with them. And that magazine is about as conventional as you would ever find. I cannot stand the way they back up the way conventional medicine is practiced currently. So if they say there is a problem with naontechnolgy there is a problem. What a can of morgellons..oops, sorry, worms.

I thought that the orignal poster's observation that he felt better with the arteminsin was interesting. It is used for both malaria and lyme. In my own case, if I tried it, I would have to combine it with warming herbs, but this could be a helpful herb if when using I remain aware of my traditional Chinese medicine body pattern. Also it is probably best not taken long term, since it is a form of wormwood (different variety from that used in Western parasite formulas). This is why I believe that professional help is a good thing to have when using the stronger herbs (if available).

I wonder if there is any place one could move to get away from the horrible destruction being wreaked upon the environment. Or if there is any country remaining which does not do this sort of mass Mengele type medical experiments upon its unsuspecting citizens. How can we be viewed as any better than those whom we revile from WWWII history.

best,

tcm

[Kritters]

How sad and horrifying that these facts regarding experimentation using all of US unassuming victims as guinea pigs are not general knowledge.

There has to be a way to alert the masses and make even the Dumf*kistanis among us understand what's going on. It's almost like just a few of us are part of an esoteric, nerdishly informative group. When you discuss it with people they either think you're nuts or ........ or....or think you're nuts!

Krits

[lindalu]

Interesting about the liver. Some years back (almost 8 years now) I ended up in the hospital in excruciating pain and vomiting. When they finally checked they said my liver was not functioning. They blamed it on a blockage by a crystal. However, when I had surgery, there was no crystal found and no stint was put in. But, I have had all kinds of bizarre things and have felt sick for some time now.
Linda

[Kritters]

Hi Linda,

I'll find the link and send it to you. Here's another website that mentions Dr. Clark which I like.

I'm reading an incredibly interesting and informative book right now called, "Parasite Rex" and written by Carl Zimmer, a science journalist. It is so fascinating I can't put it down to go to sleep at night. I'm going to have to read it again to really absorb all the details about the life of parasites. You and everyone here should really read this or one like it.....it will blow your mind and make you see the world through much different eyes. He also wrote, "At the Water's Edge" which sounds like something we'd be interested in.

I am thinking at this point that the liver is a key player in all of this and the parasitic voyage and residence as well.

Chester would get some really good material from this book .

Krits

[tcmgpt13]

Yes, I am pretty convinced that this is hiding in the liver just like the malaria parasite, at least at one stage of the perhaps more than one parasite. Liver and gall bladder both, which is why they love people with sluggish gall bladders. And this is why I think Rick B, accudoc, is saying that if digestion is sluggish to use bile salts. Enzymes as well for digestion which he said should have betaine hcl as part of the formula. There are also TCM teapills for liver and gall bladder cleansing. Found in other herbal traditions as well. Also since arteminsin (and other herbs) are used for malaria, I am pretty sure that if the first poster on this thread stated that he felt somewhat better from its use then the parasite probably is at least in one form a blood borne critter. Nasty.

Oh, and BTW, TCM would have an explanation for why it may be possible for women to be more affected by morgellons than are men. When menstruating it adds stress to the body. Emotion can block the smooth flow of blood in the liver, it can become blocked or sluggish. This is probably what parasites love, as it would mean feeding on blood which was partially blocked and not at its highest level of oxygenation. Remember parasites love putrid areas of body tissues etc. I know this is not what we want to hear, but this is why it remains so important to get all the toxins out we can, heavy metals and eat food as clean as we can afford. Staying away from the center part of the grocery store where it is mostly processed food and sugar (including boxed cereals).

The other place I am pretty sure the parasite thrives is the kidney/bladder. I used get a lot of the nematode like things out from the back of the legs when bathing which is the bladder channel area. Also in urine, though after extended herbal use they have become much smaller.

I surely hope that ladycolorado's doctor will find that the vaccine for chlaymida pneumonia will help eradicate what could be some of these critters food supply. Or that the Lipid Science company I posted about in another thread will be successful in its research which could lead to a cure for lymes and other bacterial and viral infections (including SARS). It is all about becoming less attractive to parasites and then they hopefully will either leave or at least become dormant (though I hope for the first).

best,

tcm

[unclear]

I need to know which chlamydia Pneumonia are you talking about, the kind that you get from birds. That is the only one I know of, Thanks Unclear