Stromectol/Ivermectin

[zara cybele]

What have been your experiences taking stromectol or Ivermectin to eliminate the bugs attacking your bodies?
Did it work? Did it help for only awhile? Did they come back worse?
Do you feel there were long-term adverse health effects from taking it? Anything else I might of missed that you would like to share?

I have been considering that I may have Morgellons disease, although it is not clear to me yet if I have that, or just an infestation of bugs. I am considering taking the prescription for Stromectol that the doctor gave me.

Before I fill this, I wanted to get some feedback from the community at large that feels they suffer from bug infestation.

My prescription is for five, 3mg pills to be taken all in one sitting, then repeated in a week.

I hope you'll share with me your experiences taking this drug. I am on the fence about taking it.

[tcmgpt13]

I felt ivermectin helped eliminate some parasites from my intestinal tract. I took some over about an 18 month period (about once a month). I think after a time the parasites adapted to the drug and results were not as apparent. I have had better results with extended use of TCM (traditional Chinese medicine) formulas for the small/large intestine/liver/gall bladder as prescribed by my TCM practitioner. I have used Western herbal cleansers with some good results as well (including Dr. Natura), but these herbs are the best I have used so far. My skin is so far free of lesion formation this spring and this is the first time that I can say that since becoming ill five years ago.

[zara cybele]

TCM, would you be so kind as to Personal Message me as to what chinese herbs your were prescribed internally. I am being treated by a very good acupuncturist/herbalist who was trained in chinese medicine. I'd like to forward the information on to her ASAP. She has me on herbs and also prescribed a body wash that I'm to do 3 times a day.
It would be helpful if I could pass your formula onto her. Even if it was prescribed for your particular set of symptoms, based on pulses and tongue, it would probably be helpful for her to see it.
Many, many thanks!

[Bee]

zara, I would take meds. I'm about to take Albendazole.The full moon is the best time to deworm. I will fast one day before.Then eat a fatty meal. I will crush the pills, drink some chocolate milk, they love chocolate and tapeworms love milk, to lure them into my stomach.Soon after I will eat a Grapefruit, supposed to help the meds work.I have been preping myself with a colon cleanse to remove mucus so the meds can get deeper.
If I see any, I will ask the dr for more albendazole.

I choose albendazole because it's presricibed for hydadid tapeworms. which I feel I might have.Would explain those bumps that lots of sand granuales come out of.

I read of a women in Tampa that claims she had CLM and thought it was Morgellons. I can't find that article.

[sarothra]

I took Ivermectin, Albendazole, Mebendazole, and didn't see any difference.

Upon reading about helminth infections (nematodes), I found out that these anti-parasiticals only work in the G.I. tract. It would take about ONE FULL YEAR or longer of taking these for the concentrations to build up enough to kill the ones embedded in muscle tissue.

No, we don't have evidence of nematode infection - but I find so many similarities (including the white spots and a penchant for the forearms) - that I have pretty much followed what works against nematodes to help me fight this disease. No, it is clearly not a "normal" nematode, but I still believe that's what this is and that the worms carry multiple pathogens on their backs.

Anyway, I do think the medications clear out the gastrointestinal tract, but that's about it.

I never had much luck putting them on topically either.

I have had great results in clearing out these pathogens using zinc. I just take a multivitamin/mineral and no longer take the high dose zinc. I didn't see that much difference in the oral route, but when you apply the zinc powder ( from the capsules) directly to an open lesion, put a bandaid on it, and wait a couple days, you will see the zinc has turned the material in the lesion to yellow, soft, removable gunk.

sar

[KiraErikson]

I am a strong believer in taking Stomectol, and taking it immediately. Every hour you delay gives these bugs more time to divide and multiply and grow stronger.

Some people are allergic to Stromectol, so they should only take it a couple of times the way the doctors are told to prescribe it.

However, once the bugs really catch hold -- you will need massive doses of Ivermectin every day to get rid of this stuff. I have taken 8x the dose you are being asked to take in one day, every day. Apparently I have a high toleration and am lucky.

Also take stuff like "Blockbuster AllClear" which contains grapeseed. I also use the diatomeous earth and the silver solution. I had a tiny lesion grow enormous (6x6") very quickly when I was first sprayed with Morgellons organisms in Santa Monica 10 months ago (as part of a mosquito elimination spraying).

Morgellons are very intelligent bugs. If you don't try to kill them, they will try to stay very quiet in your body for as long as possible while they expand and build their colonies. The greater their number, apparently the greater the strength of each individual morgie. Currently I seem to be winning the war, and they no longer seem to have the hold over my nervous system they once did. They also don't seem to be manufacturing fibers anymore.

In the beginning, however, they would attack my ability to breathe and my heartbeat when I attacked them. Yesterday, when I was my third day into using malaria drugs on this parasite (which work well) they attacked by freezing my intestines for two days (they actually interfere with the nerve signals to various organs of the body). To me this was a good sign, as it means my body's immune system has now cleared them from my throat and heart area.

As for side effects from Stomectol -- the ivermectin will destroy your kidneys and liver if used too much. However, so will the morgies. I have found that given that I had a healthy liver and kidneys up until being exposed to morgies, that when I discontinue the medication, my kidneys and liver recover very quickly.

People who say they got little permanent relief from Ivermectin probably took way too little amounts. The Ivermectin does a lot of killing of the morgies, but it doesn't kill them all. Those still alive continue to reproduce. Yet, if their numbers have been reduced, they can't reproduce as much -- so one just goes back on the medication as soon as one's body can tolerate it again (often just a day or two off is enough for me to recover).

My huge lesion on my leg is almost entirely gone. I expect to be done entirely with this bug in another year (and to just take some small amounts of medication on and off starting in a few weeks). My scalp (where I lost half my hair) is now recovering and regrowing hair.

Boy, I'd love to sue those people who knew these lab created organisms could infect people.

[tcmgpt13]

Randy Wymore's observations about strongyloides, a nematode and whether this nematode causes Morgellons. He wrote this back in 2006. Wymore states here that this nematode is not the cause of Morgellons, but does that rule out other nematodes as a cause? I would agree that ivermectin does not cure all Morgellons parasitic symptoms, but whether this proves this parasite is not a nematode remains open to question in my mind ( I suspect overuse of anthelmintics like ivermectin has made many insects resistant to them including nematodes). I do though see some questions remain open as far as the nematodes, fibers and the structures of the nematode and the fibers. If this nematode makes the fibers it seems that would make this nematode the top of the line model Sar has so humorously and accurately described:

Originally Posted by sarothra

This is a super genetic freaky Frankenstein master-of-disguise nematode with a fungal saute on the side, served up with a bacterial risotto.

BTW, Sar, when I went to my conventional doctor who prescribed Ivermectin he told me at the time that this drug worked on parasites of the skin. I don't know if he meant all parasites, but surely doctors know about CLM?

Wymore's 2006 remarks:

5) Some of you may have had the misfortune of receiving one or more vile, vulgar and belligerent emails from a person or two who claims to have figured out what causes Morgellons Disease and who is also kind enough to share that information, but only for the right price.

The website in question claims that there really is no such disease as Morgellons and that it is nothing more than a combination of common parasites and nematodes.

Specifically, Strongyloides is mentioned along with cutaneous larva migrans. I would like to quote from this website (as of 4/12/06): "By the way, fibers are the shedding of their shell/ skeleton!" That is utter nonsense for multiple reasons. Nematodes/small worms/Strongyloides have neither a shell nor an internal skeleton or an exoskeleton. They have a multi-layered cuticle. Even if one wanted to make a point over semantics to give the benefit of the doubt to him/them it still makes no sense.

The Morgellons fibers cover a range in size from way tinier than even the smallest Strongyloides to several inches in length. The Morgellons fibers are not hollow, nor do they look like a split open cuticle. The red and blue fibers have no cellular structure or even 'ghost' outlines where the cells might have been.

Many of you have probably spent more time looking in a microscope than I have. Most Morgellons sufferers that have looked at the fibers feel the term 'fiber' best describes their appearance. Small or large, red or blue they look like fibers.

Also, published data suggests that Ivermectin will cure 97% of Strongyloides infections with a 2 day course of treatment.

Some Morgellons sufferers have taken Ivermectin for weeks or months and few have reported that they are cured afterwards. There has been no DNA that can be amplified from the fibers that has been anything other than normal contaminating bacteria or in one case human female DNA, likely from cells of the person who submitted the fibers (it looked like there was a bit of bleeding & some white blood cells may have been the source of the human DNA).I do not know if the fibers are synthesized, shed or how they form, but they are not the shell/skeleton (which is impossible) or cuticle of Strongyloides.

In an effort to be thorough, I will not completely reject the hypothesis that Strongyloides are involved in some cases of Morgellons. I do, however, reject the idea that they are the CAUSE of Morgellons Disease. I will order PCR primers for Strongyloides and PCR from the scabs and fibers to see if there is any evidence of cutaneous larva migrans.

Wymore's discussion from 2006 may be read here in its entirety, permalinks 1-4

2006 Summary from Dr. Wymore

[KiraErikson]

Apparently I made a mistake in my last post and said I had started anti-malaria drugs (which are rumored to help). Actually, what I have started on is an anti-leprosy drug -- Rifampicin. This drug is also derived from the soil, like Ivermectin. It is highly effective but my body can't tolerate too much of it.

[zara cybele]

Bee, where did you hear the best time to deworm is on a full moon? I did a search and couldn't find anything about that. Also you mentioned a woman with CLM. What is CLM?

TCM, thank you for sending your formulas. I can see they are very specific to what is going on with your body. There is no applicability to me. I thought maybe you were on some sort of antiparasitic herbs.

I haven't been back to see my acupuncturist because I don't want to bring whatever the heck this is into her space and risk infecting anyone.
I'll have to wait till this is more under control before I'll have her touch me.

Also, thanks for the Wymore info. I see he says Ivermectin doesn't kill this long-term in Morgellons sufferers. There is a chance this isn't Morgellons so maybe I'll have a shot.

Kira, it's kind of scary how much meds you are taking. I hope you are okay from them.

I so appreciate everyone's taking the time to share their experiences and stories. You guys are gems.

[tcmgpt13]

Zara, what I am using may not be specific to parasites, but seems to be clearing them out of the intestinal/liver/gall bladder areas and so far is also drying up the skin lesions too. It's too bad I don't know the exact herbs in the formulas (or indeed the chinese pinyan names), as just knowing a couple of the herbs does tell enough about the formula. It's always possible some of the herbs do have anthelmintic effects in the body. Well, I just looked up one of the herbs I do know is in the formula and it is used for parasites! And heartburn (another recent symptom and which I feel is related to the Morgs). My heartburn is getting better too. Still, as you know, not every formula will work for everyone as TCM treats symptoms not diagnoses as does Western medicine and herbalism.

Just something interesting I ran across on itmonline.com:

"According to the Chinese interpretation, when skin lesions do not heal quickly, this indicates that both the qi and blood are deficient."

That should help your practitioner I think. Here is the article I was reading:

Danggui Yinzi: Tang-kuei and Tribulus Combination

This article discusses a TCM formula which is used to treat itchy skin, a formula little used in China itself. The communist party kind of wiped out a lot of the old time TCM practitioners and burned many of the old books too. It is still used by practitioners from Taiwan and Japan. The herb tang-kuei is in one of my formulas (though it is not this formula). Itchy skin is seen as coming from wind which is a liver symptom.

CLM=Cutaneous Larva Migrans

Cutaneous Larva Migrans (permalinks 3, 10, 12, 14, 15, 16 have extensive discussions made by Niecy)