That formula you are looking for seems similar to so many of the Western herbal formulas. I hate to be a downer, but I have used many of them and so far no cure. Unless there is some magic Chinese herb in it that no Western formula has. The Rangoon creeper fruit (Si Jun Zi) was even added to one TCM formula. Some pretty potent parasite herbs have been tried and still this hangs on.
I was thinking that the formula I copied onto this thread would be easy enough to make, either as a tincture or powdered and added to capsules. It's so very seldom you find percentages given as most companies will say proprietary formula when listing ingredients, leaving one to guess which are the main herbs etc. After studying pomegranate it looks as if they would have done better to use the skin than the seeds. At least as far as I can learn from various TCM sites the skin of the pomegranate is used to treat parasites, but I am sure if I dig more deeply that someone else will say the opposite. Or it's possible it was added for another reason. In any case it's not the main herb in the formula. To share some information with those here, the skin of an herb is sometimes used to treat skin or the area under the skin (matching the area of the fruit or tree to the area of the body which is being treated). There are some formulas which are built around the Pi (skin) of various fruits.
Parasites are known to create damp heat within the liver. Then the liver becomes subject to developing blood stasis especially as this is a condition which affects us all as we age, women especially.
You are so right in saying that an intestinal blockage is a pretty bad condition and very painful. Those two formulas though took care of it albeit slowly. Parasites are known to block the ducts in the gall bladder and liver. And sometimes the pancreas. That last can often prove fatal, causing cancer at times, so you can believe it when I say I am very glad I went to the TCM guy after I got the ultrasound which showed what was going on. I probably would not have had to do that (go Western for diagnosis) except the first practitioner I saw in the clinic said I had the flu. I kept telling her it could not possibly be the flu...Some people are just not as well trained I guess. I was surprised as most of them there are. First thing my current guy did was check that area of the body for a lump.
Anyway, hope you learn something from your friends as far as what their thoughts are on M symptoms. The problem is that these parasites just lie in wait even when you think you are nearly better. After my first friend who was treating me moved out of the area I felt not too bad for nearly a year, but then the blockage arrived. So like the price of freedom eternal vigilance I think will be required to prevent recurrences. Just IMHO.
Thanks for the information on the cloves. One of the things I have noticed is the importance of wringing excess bad fluids from the body, especially the head area. Doing this has kept the head lumps and debris/parasites away. In fact one of the main symptoms I had before this broke out was a very hot area on the top of my head on the right side. I will have to look it up again, but I think it was a gall bladder point. Anyway, just more to think about. The head though is key to treatment for most and the gall bladder (and of course liver) especially is involved for most too, but just IMHO from reading what folks here have said in the past.
Just adding this here as I stumbled across this post today. This is the time frame I noticed too as far as greatest yearly activity for M:
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Originally Posted by jonsi  When I was really sick with "M" I got hit hard in October and March for several years in a row. I never noticed that temperature had much to do with my symptoms.
My home has radiant heat (hot water).
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~jonsi |
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Originally Posted by jeanlong Everyone else seems to have internet info and books handy but it will take me time to find the notes I have because my stuff is scrawled in multiple notebooks and accumulated over a period of decades. I have been unable to get it all into a nice neat spreadsheet package for my own use. In the absence of that, I will say the recipe was something like the QingHao you mentioned, NanGuaZi (shelled or whole chopped unshelled pumpkin seed), DingXiang or MuDingXiang for decoction. I may not be able to find my notes in a reasonable timeline and this may be faulty memory.
I do recall this though. DingXiang is a single remedy made into tincture then applied topically for many types of skin problems that are stubborn, especially damp-heat surface type infections. Generally topical tincture items are used every 8 hours for a week. When stuff like this is used topically it can generally also be ground into a fine powder the put on directly and covered with something stickier (coconut oil for example) and bandaged. Or mixed with talc mineral and sprinkled on. I do not know if this would be good for you or not. For topical tincture generally 15-20 grams is soaked in 100 ml of 70% alcohol for 2-7 days.
The consensus from all the books I have for names is as follows The western name is Flos Caryophylli, the flower of the clove. MuDingXiang is milder - fructus caryophylli - the fruit part if there are seasonal supply constraints. The bark is used too, DingXiangPi, sometimes, if the fruit or flower are not available due to seasonal shortages but is not the preferred part.
I have read about the pleomorph issue you and a couple of others pointed me to. Assuming some of the parasites just ball up and wait, I'm trying to think about how TCM would consider this. I have to work on sorting out the language - obviously the microorganism pleomorph is modern language. I believe the classification falls into two main observations - one is "blood stasis" and the other "toxic heat phlegm" where the former is in intestinal area that can go from a small to big blockage (as you were describing - this is a very difficult condition) and the latter is a skin/muscle/tissue area with nodulation.
Recently I visited a TCM buddy who has been in practice a long time who lives several hours drive from me. We have had two talks about this M parasite and systemic issue. It requires some sorting out of the issues of channels and collaterals, modern vs old Daoist TCM language to best leverage the type of strategy for TCM. I'm also meeting with another TCM pal before too long and we'll discuss things from a more western view as this individual is both an OMD and has had extensive education and work experience in a western clinical setting.
I'd like to get 100% well and not have any intermittent skin eruptions. For the most part I have had a resolution of systemic issues and this feels more like a nasty skin allergy than a huge infection that is threatening my whole system as it did not long ago. I do not understand a lot about this problem, but I have my own issues to observe directly.
The straightforward observations you share are extremely helpful.
When I read that you and others have been suffering for years I wish to help, but what I hope for is a complete understanding in TCM etiology so that other OMDs have the framework to truly diagnose and do appropriate treatments. I understand how severe some M health problems are I want to help really resolve things. TCM is a good bet but the way things move forward is not so fast for one or two people to sort out.
If you try anything with the DingXiang I hope it works, and would appreciate the details of what you do, how you use it and what happened. |
May 14th, 2011, 10:31 PM
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