Beating Lyme

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Borrelia burgdorferi 1

Borrelia burgdorferi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Borrelia burgdorferi is a species of Gram negative bacteria of the spirochete class of the genus Borrelia. B. burgdorferi is predominant in North America, but also exists in Europe, and is the agent of Lyme disease.

It is a zoonotic, vector-borne disease transmitted by ticks and is named after the researcher Willy Burgdorfer who first isolated the bacterium in 1982. B. burgdorferi is one of the few pathogenic bacteria that can survive without iron, having replaced all of its iron-sulfur cluster enzymes with enzymes that use manganese, thus avoiding the problem many pathogenic bacteria face in acquiring iron."

B. burgdorferi infections have been linked to non-Hodgkin lymphomas.[1]

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So, what do you want us to do, Kritts? Go over to the other thread and continue there, or pull from there as needed? Pull in the lyme/nematode post here? So that there's one main place we're working?

These are some questions I'm formulating as I go, excuse my ignorance...

What are trying to do here? What are the objectives?

Do you consider, or want to consider mosquitos as vectors, also? Any other insects?

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Originally Posted by Katinka

Well, let me tell you this. When I had my first appointment at the hospital my Lyme doc gave me a loooooong list of possible symptoms to check...according to my addings he checked to see which co-infections I might have..And BINGO!! He was right... I was positive tested for BB, CPN and Ehrlichia...

Another co-infection is Babesia....which I think you have also, Kam**..you know I told you how important it is for you to be tested for this all? According to your symptoms you might also have BB and CPN?

That ELIZA test...hmm..well what shall I say? I'll call it 'dinosaur'?..lol...
The newest test is Elispot-LTT which I have mentioned here before...unfortunatelly american docs do not use this test..yet...which would explain wrong negative results when using Eliza or Western Blot..

You know what I told you??

And yes, the spirochetes are evidence of BB..other co-infectons are considered to be CPN, Ehrlichia, Babesia, Bartonella, Rickettsia... and YES Morgellons Disease!

others co-infections: Yersinia enterocolitica
Herpes simplex Virus Typ I/II
Cytomegalie-Virus
Toxoplasmose
Ebstein-Barr-Virus
Borna-Virus
Hepatitis C-Virus
HIV-Virus

Visit this site: Info "Lyme disease": Borreliose Centrum Augsburg

KatjO!

I think CPN was identified by Carnicom as being something that most Morgies have in common, if I remember correctly. So, we've found one highly suspect link in common between Lymes and Morgellons. I have a theory about CPN...

By looking at this list - we probably have a few of them in common?

[Kritters]

Originally Posted by Kritters

Here's a book I just came across while researching Lyme, called, "Beating Lyme" and it looks like a really good read. You can read through some of it and I was impressed with this Doc.

Beating Lyme: Understanding and ... - Google Books

Kritts

mycoplasma (fermentans, probably) chlamydia pneumonia (which we've discussed at length here on this forum) herpes, which I started a poll over a year ago on....interesting, very interesting. Lyme was created at Plum Island as a bio-warfare agent and (oops) let loose across the bay to Lyme Connecticut where the disease was discovered by Willie Burgdorferi (see my thread ....interview with the Willster...or something like that. That's who I'm talking about in case no one took the time to read what I wrote (again)....Willie said at the end of the interview that he didn't tell everything (wink wink)....

Mycoplasma fermentans is probably the base of this. Kandy (Godsgrace) and others here on this forum have discussed all about its implications.

I plan on becoming an expert (I've said this recently) on Lyme disease and it's co-infectors (WHICH ARE PROBABLY JUST MORPHED VERSIONS OF THE BORRELLIA BURGDORFERI)because it is UBIQUITOUS and many people think they have some stupid autoimmune disease like FIBROMYALGIA, which is only a catch-all name for yet ANOTHER malady, syndrome, disease...whatever they want to call it so they can give YET ANOTHER prescription for it, which is probably the same freking script as they give for all the others. This way when you have say Lupis, CF AND fibromyalgia, you get three scripts. Cha-ching, cha-ching for BIG FREKING PHARMA!!!

I'm so sick of all this. I hope all of those responsible for these diseases get them big time and that they have morphed into a form they don't already have the antidote to.

[Katinka]

Yes, Kritts, Morgellons Disease is IMO related to Lyme Disease or vice versa?

My Lyme docs are working together with ILADS like I've already posted here..so..if they are also convinced...I think we/you are on the right track!

And I DO read your posts...just wanted to mention...

Mosquitos?? Horse Flies?? Wasps?? ...etc...definitely Kam**!!

Kat

[Katinka]

Another book we should read?

Lab 257: The Disturbing Story of the Government's...

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Originally Posted by Kritters

Hey Kat and Kam...

I started some threads (I think others did also, but not sure and am tired of going back to check) on Lyme. Remember the 'MACROSCOPIC LYME IN FECES' one I started because, in spite of the fact that they don't test the stool for Lyme (because the powers that be who determine the tests to give don't include it) I have isolated 4 of the different organisms matching those on the website lymephotos.

The only way to test accurately in the US right now is to send blood to Igenex lab in California. Like you said, Kat, the Elisa is a relic, but what do they care? They don't want us to test positive because insurance will have to cover treatment and only in New Jersey (yaay, at least) something is being done because of some of the state reps who are not on the take (shocker)

I also posted yesterday about my musings concerning the nematodes they are using to kill the B.b in ticks... I hope they are also good for killing the co-infectors, Babesia, Ehrlichia, Bartonella, etc.....which I am wondering could be the nematode of Morgellons (if there is a nematode involved)...

I think Lyme and Morgellons are intimately connected.

Kritts

So, we can use stool as a way to monitor these co-infectors, this is good, I did quite a bit of stool sampling a while back, I don't have a problem with it.

I was about to start working with blood and Morgellons, as per a suggestion from Baraka. Blood is tricky to work with though, it has to be stained, usually, but maybe not for Morgellons. There might be an obvious link in the two disease evident in blood, urine or stool samples?

[Kritters]

Originally Posted by Katinka

Yes, Kritts, Morgellons Disease is IMO related to Lyme Disease or vice versa?

My Lyme docs are working together with ILADS like I've already posted here..so..if they are also convinced...I think we/you are on the right track!

And I DO read your posts...just wanted to mention...

Mosquitos?? Horse Flies?? Wasps?? ...etc...definitely Kam**!!

Kat

Yes, Katink...you are so lucky to have a doctor like that. I hope you can together make a difference. The mosquitos, horse flies, wasps, gnats, fleas ALL transmit Lyme related diseases. And the Aspergillus has probably no choice in going along for the ride since it's there, and the different stages of these things...nematodes included....are finding their way in our bodies in different ways for different people. Agrobacterium most definitely has to be involved and it is dna recombinant, which creates something that will obviously interact with all these things, plus possibly create a protein or two we never heard of and they all probably interact with herpes virus. Hey, then add the mold in your home into the mix just for fun and......partay!!!

Can't have a Kreature party without all the kreatures in the Kantina!!!

Kritts xo

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Originally Posted by Kritters

Yes, Katink...you are so lucky to have a doctor like that. I hope you can together make a difference. The mosquitos, horse flies, wasps, gnats, fleas ALL transmit Lyme related diseases. And the Aspergillus has probably no choice in going along for the ride since it's there, and the different stages of these things...nematodes included....are finding their way in our bodies in different ways for different people. Agrobacterium most definitely has to be involved and it is dna recombinant, which creates something that will obviously interact with all these things, plus possibly create a protein or two we never heard of and they all probably interact with herpes virus. Hey, then add the mold in your home into the mix just for fun and......partay!!!

Can't have a Kreature party without all the kreatures in the Kantina!!!

Kritts xo

Whew! It's a wonder any of us are alive! It sounds like you've got it 'pegged', Kritts... so what's the mystery? lol

I just read the whole book out there - this guy - Donta says, "I hypothesize that chronic Lyme creates the perfect environment in some people for activation of bacteria and viruses associated with chronic fatigue syndrome." That one sentence paragraph on page xiii, speaks volumes to me, I don't know about you?

It appears that it's in a lot of insect vectors, what do we do - stay indoors, held prisoner... like poor Kat? Do we need to buy Army clothes for the great outdoors?

It sounds like we need more money from the Gov., better testing methods and for our medical professionals to catch up... and force our Insurance Companies to meet their obligations... this all sounds familiar...

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I personally think that certain insect bites can upset bacteria and viruses that are in a state of homeostatis and cause such things as Morgellons to become evident.

Kat was saying that someone can have the Lyme organisms in their bodies for years and it not be evident until some insect comes along and bites them. This might be true for Morgellons, too?