Lactoferrin/xylitol

[Pollyringworm]

Well, I'm not sure if how I'm feeling is good or bad. My symptoms have doubled overnight. The joint pain, the numbness, sore muscles, headache, and the symptoms that made me think parasites in the beginning is horribly worse. I feel as if I have moving spiderwebs on my face and the itchiness was back tenfold last night, accompanied by the skin swelling and welts. I had to finally take n atarax, which makes me non functional the next day. My daughter has been keeping me up until five am which I know I a no no, but I can't do anything about it. Lyme drs are notorious for lecturing about proper rest.

I'm only doing part of the protocol, because I haven't found the right enzymes to break up the biofilm. Im just using what i have, which is the NOW super nzymes. This is probably why I'm reacting so much. Unless its die off. There's no information on dealing with Lyme and parasites together, so this could be the parasites reacting to the treatment of the biofilm...I really don't know.

[annesco]

Hi Polly,

So sorry to hear that you're not feeling well! You probably have seen this, but I have pasted it once again in hopes that you can find some relief with it. Also, you may want to consider cutting your dosage of the lacto, but I'm not sure how much you're taking now...

How to handle die-off:
First it is important to understand your threshold of treatment, that is you cannot try to overburden the system with lots of die off, so it is better to got slow and be steady rather than hitting it hard only to find yourself incapacitated. When you reach the threshold, you will know when to stop using the protocol until you clear the die off. It is common to hit different levels during the protocol in which you will need to stop and later restart. Using fiber will help sweep the toxic material out of your body. I happen to be a big fan of bulk charcoal which absorbs toxins very well. I would use charcoal away from my supplements as the charcoal will pick up nutrients as well rendering them ineffective. Some swear by Pascalite clay as it too is an effective sweeper of toxins. Again I would tend to steer clear of either charcoal or clays during treatment phases since they will pull out the Lactoferrin (drugs etc) however fiber should enhance the action of the protocol. Using charcoal and/or clays when you reach a strong die off (where you have to stop the protocol) is a great idea.

The same holds true for antioxidants as they may have a tendency to weaken the protocol. I would use them away from the protocol especially when you are in a big die off period and you need to reduce the die off. I happen to be a big fan of vitamin C, preferably pharmaceutical grade. I also use a wide range of other antioxidants which includes herbal combinations. I found that using sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) 1 teaspoon in water helped detoxify the colon by reducing acids. If you are sodium sensitive or suffer with high blood pressure then potassium bicarbonate may be a better choice. These products will bring your pH levels back into a more reasonable balance.

Other antioxidants that might be helpful include zeolite, grape seed extract, enteric coated SOD from Solaray, EDTA, Vitamin E, cysteine, adaptogenic herbs etc.



Stress responses:
Stress responses are part of the die off phase and it is important to maintain high levels of nutrients . You can read some of the literature I posted under "Supporting the body" for some ideas. Protein is critical during stress reactions so it is important to maintain good levels. Glutamine is excreted heavily under stress and should be considered for supplementation along with other quality protein sources. Glutamine is also essential for colon health. You may consider using supplemental Whey protein during this process.


Adrenal involvement is always an issue with any stress response and biological stress can be the harshest of them all. Typically stress is thought of as being an emotional issue, but stress occurs on many levels and this is often missed in popular thinking. Anytime stress is involved, the adrenals are involved. Supporting the adrenals through proper nutritional supplementation is critical and I have outlined this under ' supporting the body ' category. This would include adaptogenic herbs, nutritional support, anti oxidants and drinking plenty of good water.

Liver Congestion:
The liver takes a lot of abuse with such chronic infections and from the subsequent die off from the protocol so it is important to keep the liver 'open'. I personally use a few products for this: cysteine or NAC and herbal liver cleaners, I also use acupressure stimulation to open up the liver meridian.
I have some literature posted here that may help you understand in more depth.


Gut Repair:
The colon suffers a lot of damage from these types of infections. Leaky gut syndrome is a generic term that is thrown around without much clarification. Leaky gut is when the colon walls become perforated due to pathogen involvement, more than likely it becomes damaged due to the strong oxidants that the immune system generates in order to eradicate the pathogen. Some pathogens are more benign than others, so depending on the type of pathogen, damage could be from slight to great. Perforation leads to undigested proteins entering the bloodstream in which the immune system evokes more responses.


There are a number of supplements that can added to reduce inflammation and bring repair of the gut. Including

Glutamine

Aloe Vera

Peppermint

Chamomile

Slippery Elm

Fiber

Probiotics

Fatty acids (olive oil, fish oil etc)

Protein (whey powder etc)

Antioxidants

Vitamin A

Vitamin D

Colostrum

Obviously a healthy diet is going to expedite the healing process, so be sure to include whole foods such as green drinks, organic fruits and vegetables etc.

Feel better soon!

Anne

Originally Posted by Pollyringworm

Well, I'm not sure if how I'm feeling is good or bad. My symptoms have doubled overnight. The joint pain, the numbness, sore muscles, headache, and the symptoms that made me think parasites in the beginning is horribly worse. I feel as if I have moving spiderwebs on my face and the itchiness was back tenfold last night, accompanied by the skin swelling and welts. I had to finally take n atarax, which makes me non functional the next day. My daughter has been keeping me up until five am which I know I a no no, but I can't do anything about it. Lyme drs are notorious for lecturing about proper rest.

I'm only doing part of the protocol, because I haven't found the right enzymes to break up the biofilm. Im just using what i have, which is the NOW super nzymes. This is probably why I'm reacting so much. Unless its die off. There's no information on dealing with Lyme and parasites together, so this could be the parasites reacting to the treatment of the biofilm...I really don't know.

[Pollyringworm]

Thanks!

I will get a few things today. I have been using psyllium, but it's obviously not enough. I've got some activated charcoal in the cabinet, too.

[linenup]

pollyringworm: You might have to back off the protocol until you clear the toxins assuming you think the toxins are from herx. Try some zeolite (rnaresults zeolite nano etc) - works well to control the die off and make sure you drink enough water .

The best enzymes to use in biofilm environments (in my research) are pectinase, serrapeptase as enteric coated and enteric coated bromelain. I have heard from some that RenewLife's Candida enzyme (Candizyme?) works well and has lysozyme in it which is part of the innate immune response that will lyse pathogens. I covered lysozyme in the pptu lx protocol.

If the parasites are nematodes or cestodes (non-protozoa or worms) then I do not think the lx will kill those off, that would require other methods. If they are protozoa then it is possible that the lx will get to those. Metametrix GI Effects testing is the best for parasites or other pathogens in the gut, the only reliable testing method. Biofilms form in the GI tract so there is a possibility that a long standing biofilm environment is being effected as well.

- hope you feel better

[Pollyringworm]

Originally Posted by linenup

pollyringworm: You might have to back off the protocol until you clear the toxins assuming you think the toxins are from herx. Try some zeolite (rnaresults zeolite nano etc) - works well to control the die off and make sure you drink enough water .

The best enzymes to use in biofilm environments (in my research) are pectinase, serrapeptase as enteric coated and enteric coated bromelain. I have heard from some that RenewLife's Candida enzyme (Candizyme?) works well and has lysozyme in it which is part of the innate immune response that will lyse pathogens. I covered lysozyme in the pptu lx protocol.

If the parasites are nematodes or cestodes (non-protozoa or worms) then I do not think the lx will kill those off, that would require other methods. If they are protozoa then it is possible that the lx will get to those. Metametrix GI Effects testing is the best for parasites or other pathogens in the gut, the only reliable testing method. Biofilms form in the GI tract so there is a possibility that a long standing biofilm environment is being effected as well.

- hope you feel better

Hey, thanks for the response.

I'm taking this protocol for Lyme. It's all I've gotten verification That i have.

I'm having strange symptoms, actually. I herxed yesterday, which was right on schedule with what you mentioned in the protocol, but nothing today. I figured it would continue since I haven't changed anything. I have a small headache but generally feel a lot better than I normally do. I did a liitle detox last night with a tea containing milk thistle and such, and today added nac. It's a it earlier than you mentioned but I was worried I'd get worse. I've been worse. Mainly with candida supps.

I have read, I'm not sure where at the moment, that the lacto/xyl protocol will keep new biofilm from forming, not break up existing biofilm. Do you think that's the case? Is it the specific enzyme that will break apart the biofilm so the Immune system can remove the released spirochetes? What about the addition of samento to the protocol?

I'll look into the candizyme, thanks.

[linenup]

The protocol was developed with gi protozoa in mind, but should be helpful in non-gi problems. I think it is going to take some time, so I would not expect it to eradicate in a week or so. Adding antimicrobials to the mix will help but I would make sure I did not over stress the body. Make sure you are taking enough protein and b vitamins to help in the stress reactions, the b vitamins will help in the methylation process which keeps the liver open etc.

The lx should remove old biofilms, it has for myself and others. Chebula has been shown to eradicate biofilms also white peony, I have information under the biofilm busters category that covers this in more detail. Again, pectinase seems the best choice along with the serrapeptase and bromelain (enteric coated for both).

I don't know what to think about Samento, you might want to read Dr. Leslie Taylor's comments on this product. I would consider using a variety of antimicrobials which helps keeps the pathogens from adapting. I believe that doxycylcine is used for Lyme which you can obtain without a script from Medsmex or MagicPharma which are trusted sources. It is legal to import the drugs as long as you are not importing large quanities or controlled substances such as narcotics.

[annesco]

I have ordered my doxy from Magicpharma, but don't expect it for probably three weeks. Linenup, do you know if the turnaround time for Medsmex is quicker? I will be ordering bactrim and flagyl eventually as well.

Originally Posted by linenup

The protocol was developed with gi protozoa in mind, but should be helpful in non-gi problems. I think it is going to take some time, so I would not expect it to eradicate in a week or so. Adding antimicrobials to the mix will help but I would make sure I did not over stress the body. Make sure you are taking enough protein and b vitamins to help in the stress reactions, the b vitamins will help in the methylation process which keeps the liver open etc.

The lx should remove old biofilms, it has for myself and others. Chebula has been shown to eradicate biofilms also white peony, I have information under the biofilm busters category that covers this in more detail. Again, pectinase seems the best choice along with the serrapeptase and bromelain (enteric coated for both).

I don't know what to think about Samento, you might want to read Dr. Leslie Taylor's comments on this product. I would consider using a variety of antimicrobials which helps keeps the pathogens from adapting. I believe that doxycylcine is used for Lyme which you can obtain without a script from Medsmex or MagicPharma which are trusted sources. It is legal to import the drugs as long as you are not importing large quanities or controlled substances such as narcotics.

[Pollyringworm]

Originally Posted by linenup

The protocol was developed with gi protozoa in mind, but should be helpful in non-gi problems. I think it is going to take some time, so I would not expect it to eradicate in a week or so. Adding antimicrobials to the mix will help but I would make sure I did not over stress the body. Make sure you are taking enough protein and b vitamins to help in the stress reactions, the b vitamins will help in the methylation process which keeps the liver open etc.

The lx should remove old biofilms, it has for myself and others. Chebula has been shown to eradicate biofilms also white peony, I have information under the biofilm busters category that covers this in more detail. Again, pectinase seems the best choice along with the serrapeptase and bromelain (enteric coated for both).

I don't know what to think about Samento, you might want to read Dr. Leslie Taylor's comments on this product. I would consider using a variety of antimicrobials which helps keeps the pathogens from adapting. I believe that doxycylcine is used for Lyme which you can obtain without a script from Medsmex or MagicPharma which are trusted sources. It is legal to import the drugs as long as you are not importing large quanities or controlled substances such as narcotics.

Okay, I picked up a B vitamin combo, and 500 mg Bromelian. It took three health food stores to find the enteric coated enzymes. I didn't find serrapeptase in any form, but pectinase was in a few combo bottles, but none were enteric coated. So, I just bought the enteric coated bromelian.

Do I need all three, or will one do? I'm still trying to figure out the antimicrobials. Is there an otc antimicrobial that will get me started while I wait on antibiotics?

One more thing, thanks for being patient with me-- Is there a specific order in which things work the best? I have been taking the Lacto/Xylitol on an empty stomach by itself. About an hour or two later I take the enzyme with food, then I scatter the vitamins, psyllium, and whatever detox I'm doing, throughout the night.

I'm trying to perfect this so I can get the best result. I have been having some success, but I guess it's just my immune system eliminating whatever is released into my body from the biofilm, because I'm not using anything to kill the bacteria once it leaves the biofilm. I'm not having a ton of die-off that I can see. I have some strange symptoms such as weakness and a numb-floaty feeling in my head, occasional twitches and stabs of pain. My body aches have lightened up except for my feet, which take a while to work out in the morning.

[linenup]

Okay, I picked up a B vitamin combo, and 500 mg Bromelian. It took three health food stores to find the enteric coated enzymes. I didn't find serrapeptase in any form, but pectinase was in a few combo bottles, but none were enteric coated. So, I just bought the enteric coated bromelian.


Source Naturals has the enteric coated serrapeptase, as far as the enzymes much of the research is up in the air - there are a number of different doctors using various enzymes, I tried bunches of them. I am back on the pectinase (in a combination form) but it is not enteric coated.

Do I need all three, or will one do? I'm still trying to figure out the antimicrobials. Is there an otc antimicrobial that will get me started while I wait on antibiotics?

I am not well versed on Lyme, perhaps the cats claw or samento would be beneficial. Deseret Biologicals has a homeopathic series remedy for Lyme that might be worth looking at.

One more thing, thanks for being patient with me-- Is there a specific order in which things work the best? I have been taking the Lacto/Xylitol on an empty stomach by itself. About an hour or two later I take the enzyme with food, then I scatter the vitamins, psyllium, and whatever detox I'm doing, throughout the night.

I am sure that would be fine.

I'm trying to perfect this so I can get the best result. I have been having some success, but I guess it's just my immune system eliminating whatever is released into my body from the biofilm, because I'm not using anything to kill the bacteria once it leaves the biofilm. I'm not having a ton of die-off that I can see. I have some strange symptoms such as weakness and a numb-floaty feeling in my head, occasional twitches and stabs of pain. My body aches have lightened up except for my feet, which take a while to work out in the morning.

Yes, when the biofilm is being taken down, the immune system is free to attack that is why it is best to wait before adding antimicrobials until you know the lx is not causing any more problems. This is what we are finding out on the pptu forum, you will go thru a series of die off situations, and ebb and flow then you will plateau where no more die off happens. You will just have to experiment with this. Keep the die off in check, when you have hit a major die off then back off and try to detoxify, try the zeolite for control or other antioxidants.

[linenup]

Originally Posted by annesco

I have ordered my doxy from Magicpharma, but don't expect it for probably three weeks. Linenup, do you know if the turnaround time for Medsmex is quicker? I will be ordering bactrim and flagyl eventually as well.

Magic takes about 14 to 20 days and they will ship in multiple packages, Medsmex is about 10-14 days. Flagyl can have some nasty side effects, best to use the flagyl derivatives (Secndidazole or Tinidazole)