Okay, I've Finally Gone Over The Edge Now!

[d.zig]

Hello Finally,

I've been a member for quite awhile, but have just found how to 'introduce myself' here. Have felt that was a courtesy and should at least
introduce myself before posting on any of the groups.

I probably should post some of this letter elsewhere on the site, as I don't know if these posts are answered or not.

After vacuuming with two fine German made Hepa Filter vacuums (constantly) for about two years now..

After spraying the entire house with cleaning grade peroxide (Seventh Gen and others)....including floors, furniture, curtains, walls and some ceilings...

After having used a fair amount of Eco Vie all over the place. We gave that up. Why? Because we found that the sticky goo it leaves behind left a stain as well as a residue for 'things' to grow in.

After doing many things too numerous to mention .... I finally flipped today.
Why? Because we continuously clean, to the point of leaving the rest of our lives behind for cleaning, yet today I found several specks of 'the enemy' on our kitchen counter. I know they are 'the enemy' because I looked at them with the Ken-a-Vision microscope. In fact, any speck I pass through the microscope IS THE ENEMY. I seldom EVER see anything that is Normal Debris.

This is after faithfully cleaning the counters with full strength peroxide. We've used everything you can use that DOESN'T have chemicals. Braggs vinegar, salt water, (yuck what a mess that was). In other words, we've tried to avoid the chemical laden cleaners, and I'm beginning to wonder if that is a wise decision or not. We always avoided using 'chemical laden' products and switched to the 'green' products about five years ago.

I mop floors with peroxide. I spray carpets with peroxide. Now, after all this cleaning ...Now after being into the second year with this monster growing on the side of my face..After practicing all kinds of (what some would think irrational) actions, I am beginning to think that none of this makes any difference....as far as 'cleaning your house' is concerned.

All sink, tub and everything else traps have been (no, not just cleaned) They've Been REPLACED. We've replaced our washer and dryer.
We regularly replace cold air return filters. I've installed filters in the vents.

All laundry suffers the high heat treatment, both for washing and for drying. All dirty laundry goes in clear plastic bags and all clean laundry is placed in heavy duty blue zip lock bags. We don't use closets, or wardrobes, or cedar chests or laundry storage anymore in our house. Why? Because we 'live out of' plastic bags. It's reached the point of being maddening.

I've purchased and used more disposable gloves than I can even count.

We've purchased herbs, creams, oils, sea salt etcetera beyond belief.

Both my partner and I were heavily into the 'use natural products' .... 'eat organic'...etcetera, long before the, 'You know what', hit the fan here.

All of these purchases and precautions don't seem to be helping very much.
Let's see. What shall I do now? Should I now spray the entire kitchen again and maybe paint it? I'm already half way through painting it NOW. Or maybe I could yank down the curtains and was them again? Or maybe scrub the floor again and vacuum the entire house again. Or maybe I could empty all the kitchen cabinets again and clean them out again.

I'm so tired of living this way I could scream. All pretense of normalcy is gone from our lives and this takes a lot of T-I-M-E for not very much return.

So, anyway....does anybody know if sulphur cream might help this 'chamber of horrors' on my face? I think I've got this problem on the threshold of a turning point, and desperate to know what to try next. I don't want to lose ground. I'm sure everybody will know what I mean by that. I've dug off all the junk in creation for well over a year and finally have 'reached bottom', I think. Nothing but (yeah right) little white dots and of course some white lines running through the site. Kinda looks like the white fat running through a steak. Skinny, white Devil Lines, I call them.

Helpful things for me have been liquid bentonite (topical and swallowed), domeboro astringent, peroxide, marshmallow root powder (for absorption)
vitamin E oil, msm topically, and of all things liquid calcium, topically. But the last two things don't always help.

New helpful additions in the past forty eight hours have been Candula Cream and Tendon Rescue. I bought the tendon rescue product for the high Comfrey contents. These plus (1/3 peroxide-2/3 water), and liquid bentonite have got these Bad Rascals on the run. I know this could change within the next 15 minutes, so don't get the idea that i've got 'the big head' about this.

I can forget the Black Walnut, Fenugreek, Elecampane, Clove, Tea Tree Oil, Turpentine, Borax (may the Lord deliver me), and a score of others.

Many things that help my partner do not help me and vice versa. Maybe that's because everyone's chemistry is a little different. Some things she can use will send my problems skyrocketing. Some things I use, which help me very much, will not help her at all.

Anyway, here I sit today ... dumfounded and disgusted ... and yes, somewhat angry too. And oh, by the way....I've seen three doctors (one a dermatologist), and two nurse practitioners. None were of any help whatsoever, and none of them gave too hoots that I 'suspected parasitic activity'. All scoffed. So (grumble growl) you know what to them!

This website has helped me quite a lot and kept me from feeling so alone in all of this. I am certain this website has also saved me even more suffering and has kept me out of the Useless Doctor's offices too. I stopped reading most other websites long ago.

It's up to me to sink or swim. The medical community is 'out to lunch'. Fact be told....they are 'out to lunch' on most things, not just morgellons, parasites, and the like.

Thanks Everyone, for sharing your Experiences and your Knowledge....your Sympathy, your Laughter and your Tears....your Emotions and your Facts.
In a world where caring seems to be at a shortage these days, this website
stands out very differently. Caring and Concern does happen here.

BTW, thanks also for the microscopic photos. I'd post some too, but don't know how. I've got tons of pictures of The Enemy. They produce quickly and they produce many. Gasp!

Warmest Regards,
D. Zig (Which stands for Dig Ziggy, which means I adore David Bowie.)

[Bee]

Hi dzig, I don't clean any better then normal. I just don't think that's where the problem comes from, and if it is, I'm ready to go. I'm not living like that.
If it's not on me, I try not to think about it. I think that's where the DOP comes in. Yes we have Something.But it can turn into paranoia also. Don't let it take your mind. Mine gets worse around the full moon ( next one Sat 1/30/10 and rain storms.See Ya around

[Dzana]

hey Ziggy Stardust and the spiders from Mars lol ( ah insects and Mars - so mebbe we r dealing with aliens indeed)
mebbe you should try some Marc Neumann stardust
DSP CREAM PRODUCER SITE S-M-G Organization SMG Support Morgellons Group DSP cream products

[fracty]

I love Ziggy Stardust too, but not the spiders we seem to be having.

Thanks for posting DZig.

In my case I DO think the cleaning is important. I am also someone who prefers green cleaning products. But I found w the M it does not work in some cases. At least for the Southern California spiders from mars.

I still use Method and the like for little things, but anything important I use:

Lysol spray (periodically I put it on everything)
Pine Sol
hospital grade disinfectant (I get ones like Barbicide and Citrus II.) These ones especially make a dramatic difference for me.

On top of that though... I threw out everything and moved. I live in a place w no fabric - well 2 cotton towels. And only two all polyester outfits, plus a nylon jacket. I have no carpet, no drapes, nothing.

I used to do the baggie thing, then I found some of them had (not the fiber types but) the mite type things that jump. Probably they are just plastics w some type of charge, but whatever it is, they seem to contribute to the problem. So I used to seal everything up in baggies, seal teh baggies inside a thick plastic crate, and throw out the baggies after each use. Now all I do is seal everything in the large plastic crates.

I still have some in my car. I have not had the energy to deal w getting that totally clean yet. Well, more like the money really, The more I clean and have it vacuumed the better. If I could afford it I would get it detailed and take it in for frequent cleaning. Right now I cant afford the vacuum.

I don't know if any of that will help you. Like I said, I still use the green products for some things.. OH.. and i always have bottle of white vinegar in both rooms. I often spray down the kitchen and bathroom sink w it. I think it helps a lot. Method and all the others just dont work for this in my case at least.

I understand how horrific it is that you should lose it today. No one has any idea unless they go through this themselves. It is a nightmare beyond anything the average person can imagine. I think we have to keep praying or following whatever type of spiritual practice or higher power we are drawn to until the truth finally comes out and we get justice.

Thanks again for posting.

[Sadsack]

d.zig -

At one time my environment seemed to be an issue, but as I got better it became less of one. I still use ozonators (on occasion), UVC with hepa filtration, and ionizers to help with the air, though. Routine cleaning with orange oil and/or green products, esp enzyme based.

The only things I think you are missing from your routine are Far Infrared saunas and Opalinesolutions.com - Dry oxy caps (2 - 3 times the dose on the label, or follow instructions for acute infections).

SS

[fracty]

Hi SS,
I was working my way up to 3 pills 3 times a day of the Dry Oxy. Are you saying more might be helpful, at least initially? 2-3 times the label would around 6 pills 3 times a day. What do you recommend? (sorry to ask this on your thread ZDig.

[d.zig]

Hi Gang,

Sorry for the delay, but I'm coming up from the trenches now. I've been there fighting the microscopic enemies (AKA Lord only know what THESE are.).

Bee, you may have something there about the full moon. Seems everything is involved in this, including the moon.

Sadsack, thank you for the information. Somewhere along the 'Green Highway', which I've been traveling for five to six years, I have used an enzyme based product. I need to give it another try.

The little specks and flat things that seem to be entering at floor level don't seem to stop coming in ... or die ... from anything we've tried. They like to 'hang out' in the floor around the washing machine. There is no leak there.
I have also wondered if some might be coming in from the washing machine drain pipe. Some appear to be very fine hairs ... one end green and the other end sort of gold-ish brown. Sometimes they are maybe an inch or so long and sometimes around 3/8 of an inch long. I know these things are trouble, because they do not come from US. We do have pets, but this does not come from THEM either. They are coming in between the bottom of the baseboard where the floor and baseboard meet. And, oh, by the way, these hair objects are quite good at resisting being picked up by a paper towel soaked with Seventh Generation Peroxide.

They also like to 'hang out' in and around every sink area in our house...and around the bathtubs. Also in the bathroom floors. Kinky! Kitchen sink backsplash has tiny crevice between wall and backsplash. I think they also enter through that crack. I'm getting ready to have yet another "Caulk-A-Thon". My partner was very curious as to why it took me so long to caulk the upstairs bath. I literally caulked everything from floor ceiling. Even where the ceiling joins the wall....and re-grouted ever tiny crack in the ceramic tile joints. One night, when seated on a (new) clean shower curtain, which was to provide protection from the 'enemy devils'...I looked and found they literally had me surrounded. Take your pick: grey ones, black ones, red ones, brown ones, orange ones and oh yes, teeny tiny brown/green 'hairs'.So I got the squeegee, paper towels and peroxide and mopped them up ...and disposed in a plastic bag. Oh yeah, I threw my disposable rubber gloves in there too and got a new pair. This just Tees me off so much that I don't even know how to express. Well, I'd have to use profanity .... and that isn't going to happen.

I also think they have entered where the faucet swivels left to right on the kitchen sink. Guess how I stopped that Action. I poured olive oil in the fixture at point of swivel. They haven't come crawling out of there again. LOL. I amuse myself. Good thing, huh?

When I mop the kitchen floor (white linoleum floor-they're easy to site) with Seventh Generation peroxide cleaning grade, full strength, it backs them off for maybe 24 to 48 hours. As long as the peroxide is wet at the seam between floor and baseboards....they seem not to want to travel through it. I hope they're AFRAID of the peroxide and hope it kills them. But, I'm not so sure anything can kill them.

I've treated my lesions with drugstore peroxide (1/3 peroxide to 2/3 distilled water) and then looked at the results on my ken-a-vision (mac compatible) microscope. Many of the awful entities look as if they have been blasted into many tiny pieces. They are also bleached white. They appear in their 'worm' form, but their entire body is disconnected. It's weird. I don't know if this means they've been killed or not.

Has anyone noticed through microscopy that the 'injured ones' seem to be rejuvenated by the white 'Casper the Ghost' looking things which apparently
create an energy field of yellow and purple and Zaps them back to being alive and well? I promise I'm not crazy.....yet. These 'Casper' things also birth new ones. I am sure there is a scientific term for what I am describing, but I don't know the scientific lingo.

Also ... the worm like things I've seen are connected head to mouth. In other words....you will see the beginning of the red worm (other colored worms appear this way as well) and right behind where I'd think the rest of the body would be just 'plain worm' (LOL)....there is another head which is holding on to the first head with it's mouth. This continues throughout the entire worm like body.

Of course I've also seen that the worms are carrying 'enemy worms' in their respective guts which will soon be out and on the loose.

I've looked at scores of (web) microscopic life forms ad-nauseum... night and day...and have never found anything resembling what I am seeing....enough....to be the Same Thing as what I've got.

I've seen other things which have a very sinister look. From whence thou com meth, Dark World?

I have also seen that when one of these scumbags are threatened or injured by treatments .... they will regurgitate all contents of their gut. The contents is hundreds of tiny 'enemy devils', who then run amuck at will, procreating and sucking blood. They all look to be having a Grand Old Time.

Has anyone had a 'devil entity' which has an elongated neck with a head at the top of the neck (seamless and same width as the neck). The head is rounded on the end and the opposite end is bulb shaped. These can hurt very much when ripping off the cover of the lesion. Apparently, the elongated neck/head is stuck into the pores of the skin, and the bulb end appears on the actual outside of the lesion scab. Upon ripping said scab off, the naked eye can see tiny protrusions (which is the head/neck end).

Under the microscope, I can view the head on one side of the scab, then flip the scab over ... and see the bulb end of the 'devil entity'. These are particularly disturbing to view. I could go on and on, because I have been studying microscopically, and saving a wealth of photos for almost a year.

I scoffed when I looked through the microscope in the beginning, because all I could think was....Huh? Somebody must be kidding, or having some fun with me. If someone can tell me where to find instructions for putting photos on this site, I'll try to bring some here for everybody to see.
It's to maddening to view these hideous things ....but quite fascinating at the same time.

Dzana suggested that Stardust, from Marc Neuman could be something to try. I had to laugh. because first of all, whenever my mind gets the input of 'Neuman', all I can see and think in my mind is Alfred E Neuman on the cover of Mad Magazine. I looked at the website and read an interview, (?), where he told about the product. I think we ought to get David Bowie, Mark Bolon, AKA T. Rex, and Mick Ronson to 'scare up' some 'stuff' that would probably 'blow' all these 'devil demons' back to wherever they came from!
Nina Hagen and Lene Lovich cold come along to help. They are both spectacular too! Then maybe we could trot ourselves over to Joni Mitchell's house and help her out. She's completely wonderful.

GAWD I'm long winded. Fracty, I've saved you till last to say thank you for your recommendations. You can be sure we will pick up on Barbicide, Citrus II, and Green Enzyme Based products of hospital grade. If I can't find them online, I may need your help.

I've got a couple of wild random thoughts that came on like and Oprah Light Bulb just awhile ago. I'm going to post it under a different heading. I would really like to know what all of you would have to say on that subject. And Fracty, you don't ever need to feel you are horning in on my thread. I'm glad for your comments.

Good Luck To All and Sorry for taking so long to reply

D.Zig

[fracty]

that's very interesting stuff DZig. Luckily I don't have them coming from the floor boards. They seem to be on fabrics, papers, etc and some are ones that seem to fall from my body. I do get them on the floor and some are in places that had to grow on their own because I just haven't been over there.

Your microscope sounds much better than mine. I have seen exactly what you say about the worms hatching out of the white things. At least in the case of the ones I see, it appears the white things are cocoons.

I haven't seen everything you mention, but I have seen the grey goo under the microscope is like little sticks w a mean mouth and you can see them move. They line up end to end making a long stick. It suonds like a similar version to what you are seeing.

The fiber colors here are different, or maybe would be the same under your microscope. But maybe it is the same thing, just exposed to different proteins or bacteria.

About posting photos, you can go to PhotoBucket.com, or there is another one that is more popular but I dont think it works as well. YOu sign up and then press the upload button to put your photos online. THere is a section here where you can supposedly add your photos. Maybe if you click on it, it will explain. I added a link to my photos, but they magically disappeared.

Thanks again for all the info. (PS- If you dont have the brands I mentioned, I am sure you have hospital grade germicidals. The Citrus 2 says it is all natural ingredients w no harmful chemicals, but you never know for sure.)

[d.zig]

Hi There Fracty,

Thank You for replying.

It sounds as though we are seeing some of the same things in microscopy.
If I told everything I'd seen, then, I'd have to write a book.

Strange thing is, though. Everything I see in microscopic imaging has a face and a head. All of them. Not all examples I've seen of living organisms on Scientific Websites ... have faces. Some do, though. Heck, most of what I see has a head at both ends and a bunch of faces in the body. Whew!

I can see from expressions if they appear to be in agony. This is the prime thing I'm looking for. I can't see them move with my microscope though, but that could be because I've got them pasted in-between two wide pieces of cellophane tape.

But I can definitely see hateful looking expressions and mean faces. I can also see sinister grins. This sounds like lunacy, but it's all true.

One time a 'gang' got in which they did not like .... and I saw the war between the two 'gangs'.

One other (well there's not only ONE other thing, ha!) thing I have noticed is that 'the deeper' into the lesion I go, the more evil the faces look.

You know, Fracty, I've never talked about any of this to anyone...and sometimes a person needs to mention things like this to an understanding person.....within a safe space. Thank you for that.

In 2008 when this 'Mr Toads Wild Ride' started, I had green, moving fibers. They were very very small. When I looked at them with the microscope, I could see how they were all curved and tangled around and within themselves. I could see faces on those too. But those are the only fibers that I know of ... that I have had. Yet, the appearance of these horrible things look like morgs. The one with the skinny neck and bulb at the other end looks exactly like one of the morg photos I've seen on the web.

But, I have some really fantastically unusual entities saved. I mean, I even wonder if there's some other kind of WILD strain out there that is mixed up with the 'classic' morg group I know I have.

I don't think it will ever go away. This makes me feel very sad, and threatened. I got it to go away, or at least 'go back in' on all the other places on my body. But I fear I'll have to live with the face lesion for the rest of my life.

AND .... I'm so weary and tired of having to pull this stuff off of me at least twice a day. You know, I've got other things I'd really rather do with my time. I can't get anything to kill off all of them.

I know if I didn't try to 'get off' what I can that my whole face would probably be a big lesion. This is very disruptive to living a life. It's just so time consuming, ya' know?

And everytime I go out in public, there's this THING on my face. Sometimes I put a bandaid over it. Eh...well....as they say, 'it ain't over till it's over' and I'm a fighter, not a quitter.

I will try to upload some photos to the site. You may see 'familiar faces' there...and maybe some things you didn't see.....yet. I think it would have a healthy .... cathartic effect to upload some photos.

I'm laughing now because I'm thinking of Lily Tomlin. Did you see her special tv show years ago when she portrayed a character called Agnes Angst? Haaaaa ha ha ha . Whoooo. Yes, and she had a band too. Agnes Angst and the Manic Depressives was 'the act'. One of her lines was....'it's just a cathartic release, and I wouldn't hurt a fly.'

I draw a lot of strength from silly things like that. A sense of humor is a fantastic thing. Don't Cha Love It

[Kritters]

Originally Posted by d.zig

Dzana suggested that Stardust, from Marc Neuman could be something to try. I had to laugh. because first of all, whenever my mind gets the input of 'Neuman', all I can see and think in my mind is Alfred E Neuman on the cover of Mad Magazine.
D.Zig

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