Okay, I've Finally Gone Over The Edge Now!

[d.zig]

Hello Finally,

I've been a member for quite awhile, but have just found how to 'introduce myself' here. Have felt that was a courtesy and should at least
introduce myself before posting on any of the groups.

I probably should post some of this letter elsewhere on the site, as I don't know if these posts are answered or not.

After vacuuming with two fine German made Hepa Filter vacuums (constantly) for about two years now..

After spraying the entire house with cleaning grade peroxide (Seventh Gen and others)....including floors, furniture, curtains, walls and some ceilings...

After having used a fair amount of Eco Vie all over the place. We gave that up. Why? Because we found that the sticky goo it leaves behind left a stain as well as a residue for 'things' to grow in.

After doing many things too numerous to mention .... I finally flipped today.
Why? Because we continuously clean, to the point of leaving the rest of our lives behind for cleaning, yet today I found several specks of 'the enemy' on our kitchen counter. I know they are 'the enemy' because I looked at them with the Ken-a-Vision microscope. In fact, any speck I pass through the microscope IS THE ENEMY. I seldom EVER see anything that is Normal Debris.

This is after faithfully cleaning the counters with full strength peroxide. We've used everything you can use that DOESN'T have chemicals. Braggs vinegar, salt water, (yuck what a mess that was). In other words, we've tried to avoid the chemical laden cleaners, and I'm beginning to wonder if that is a wise decision or not. We always avoided using 'chemical laden' products and switched to the 'green' products about five years ago.

I mop floors with peroxide. I spray carpets with peroxide. Now, after all this cleaning ...Now after being into the second year with this monster growing on the side of my face..After practicing all kinds of (what some would think irrational) actions, I am beginning to think that none of this makes any difference....as far as 'cleaning your house' is concerned.

All sink, tub and everything else traps have been (no, not just cleaned) They've Been REPLACED. We've replaced our washer and dryer.
We regularly replace cold air return filters. I've installed filters in the vents.

All laundry suffers the high heat treatment, both for washing and for drying. All dirty laundry goes in clear plastic bags and all clean laundry is placed in heavy duty blue zip lock bags. We don't use closets, or wardrobes, or cedar chests or laundry storage anymore in our house. Why? Because we 'live out of' plastic bags. It's reached the point of being maddening.

I've purchased and used more disposable gloves than I can even count.

We've purchased herbs, creams, oils, sea salt etcetera beyond belief.

Both my partner and I were heavily into the 'use natural products' .... 'eat organic'...etcetera, long before the, 'You know what', hit the fan here.

All of these purchases and precautions don't seem to be helping very much.
Let's see. What shall I do now? Should I now spray the entire kitchen again and maybe paint it? I'm already half way through painting it NOW. Or maybe I could yank down the curtains and was them again? Or maybe scrub the floor again and vacuum the entire house again. Or maybe I could empty all the kitchen cabinets again and clean them out again.

I'm so tired of living this way I could scream. All pretense of normalcy is gone from our lives and this takes a lot of T-I-M-E for not very much return.

So, anyway....does anybody know if sulphur cream might help this 'chamber of horrors' on my face? I think I've got this problem on the threshold of a turning point, and desperate to know what to try next. I don't want to lose ground. I'm sure everybody will know what I mean by that. I've dug off all the junk in creation for well over a year and finally have 'reached bottom', I think. Nothing but (yeah right) little white dots and of course some white lines running through the site. Kinda looks like the white fat running through a steak. Skinny, white Devil Lines, I call them.

Helpful things for me have been liquid bentonite (topical and swallowed), domeboro astringent, peroxide, marshmallow root powder (for absorption)
vitamin E oil, msm topically, and of all things liquid calcium, topically. But the last two things don't always help.

New helpful additions in the past forty eight hours have been Candula Cream and Tendon Rescue. I bought the tendon rescue product for the high Comfrey contents. These plus (1/3 peroxide-2/3 water), and liquid bentonite have got these Bad Rascals on the run. I know this could change within the next 15 minutes, so don't get the idea that i've got 'the big head' about this.

I can forget the Black Walnut, Fenugreek, Elecampane, Clove, Tea Tree Oil, Turpentine, Borax (may the Lord deliver me), and a score of others.

Many things that help my partner do not help me and vice versa. Maybe that's because everyone's chemistry is a little different. Some things she can use will send my problems skyrocketing. Some things I use, which help me very much, will not help her at all.

Anyway, here I sit today ... dumfounded and disgusted ... and yes, somewhat angry too. And oh, by the way....I've seen three doctors (one a dermatologist), and two nurse practitioners. None were of any help whatsoever, and none of them gave too hoots that I 'suspected parasitic activity'. All scoffed. So (grumble growl) you know what to them!

This website has helped me quite a lot and kept me from feeling so alone in all of this. I am certain this website has also saved me even more suffering and has kept me out of the Useless Doctor's offices too. I stopped reading most other websites long ago.

It's up to me to sink or swim. The medical community is 'out to lunch'. Fact be told....they are 'out to lunch' on most things, not just morgellons, parasites, and the like.

Thanks Everyone, for sharing your Experiences and your Knowledge....your Sympathy, your Laughter and your Tears....your Emotions and your Facts.
In a world where caring seems to be at a shortage these days, this website
stands out very differently. Caring and Concern does happen here.

BTW, thanks also for the microscopic photos. I'd post some too, but don't know how. I've got tons of pictures of The Enemy. They produce quickly and they produce many. Gasp!

Warmest Regards,
D. Zig (Which stands for Dig Ziggy, which means I adore David Bowie.)

[Kritters]

Hey D Zigg!

I also adore David Bowie! If I had an animal I'd name it Ziggy!

So glad you have made yourself known and have shared your story.

Are your partner's symptoms the same as yours? In the same places?

Is there any pattern to where either of you break out in lesions?

Do you have any mold in your home or live in a wooded area? Old plumbing/heating?

City or well water?City sewer or septic tank?

Ever notice lots of airplane 'trail' action in the sky above?

Are either of you aware if you have candida?

Welcome and I'm sure you'll be happy here.

[d.zig]

Kritters...

I feel that I know you! I have read many of your posts, and thank you for everything you've shared here. I was viewing some of your posted pictures last night. Grizzly, eh? LOL

I've cut and pasted your letter so that I may try to answer your questions briefly as possible. I'm a writer...I express with words, and sometimes too much.

Here goes:

Hey D Zigg!

I also adore David Bowie! If I had an animal I'd name it Ziggy!
Bowie is absolutely the greatest ever... on my music machines anyways.

So glad you have made yourself known and have shared your story.
Thanks, it took some nerve.

Are your partner's symptoms the same as yours?
Not exactly the same symptoms, but many symptoms the same.

In the same places?

No. I was first attacked all over my body, except NOT on my face. The attack happened when I was cutting up cardboard boxes in our garage to take to the trash. Hot water heater in garage had leaked some (oh how convenient for 'them'), and has since been replaced.
Very interesting point is that every bite on the left side of my body appeared in the exact same place on the right side of the body. This was arms, legs, hands, torso.

Is there any pattern to where either of you break out in lesions?

As for Mine:
There does not appear to be the same pattern happening at this time. I got rid of the body bites after a lot ... A LOT ... of attempts. Finally I dotted each and every one of them with black walnut powder and they dried up and died. I did not try to wash off the black walnut powder, and in fact re-applied it 'just in case'. But by then they had settled in under my breasts and around my waist. I haven't been able to wear a bra for two years. They are gone from there now, but am still afraid to wear a bra.

As soon as they were gone from under my breasts, they appeared on the left side of my face and traveled to the right with uniformity. By then I knew I had them in my nose and mouth as well. This is a frightening truth.
They have now been on my face since November of 2008. I got rid of all except on the right side of my face. Left side is mostly cleared up.

My Partner's:

My partner had severe lesions from left shoulder to right shoulder and down her back bone. Also down the left shoulder and eventually to the left wrist on the outside of her arm...then to inside of left wrist. At this time the shoulder to shoulder lesions are gone and the arm lesions are almost gone.

Do you have any mold in your home or live in a wooded area? Old plumbing/heating?
No mold that I know of except small in one corner of the garage. I don't know how to get rid of it. Any ideas on that? Hmmmm. We do have a wooded area beyond the fenced in back yard. In our back yard proper...Huge oaks, lots of big azalea bushes (over planted by previous owner). I am sure the plumbing and hvac has been here since the house was built but don't remember how old this house is. Old enough to present problems, I'm sure.

City or well water?City sewer or septic tank?
City water (which I've passed under the microscope and I've seen worrisome things in the water). We put filters on our kitchen sink and our showers, but who knows what protection that allows from microscopic things?
City sewer connected.

Ever notice lots of airplane 'trail' action in the sky above?
Yes! Not often. Sporadic activity....but wide spread trails.

Are either of you aware if you have candida?
Don't know, and good luck finding out anything from doctors these days.

There is something I have noticed that has concerned me. We have 'things' entering our kitchen from the floor level in the washing machine area....specks....grey and small, sometimes reddish and very flat. I never see them move .... but believe me....they move alright.

Also in the bathrooms. Grey specks and white things on the dark (rubber) mats. We gave up on rugs...and may have to give up the mats, due to porosity. Anywhere there is moisture, 'things' appear. But then, I know they are in places where there is no moisture as well. Microscopic examination shows that the 'floor things' look very much like what appears in scabs from my lesions.

Have you heard anything like this before? 'Things entering the house' where plumbing is?

Just one more question. Is sulphur cream known to do any good for some of us?

Most of all, thank you so much for replying to my post. I don't ever talk to anybody about this....and that makes the plight harder.

Welcome and I'm sure you'll be happy here.
Thank you for your warm welcome. It's good to be here.

[d.zig]

Kritters...

I feel that I know you! I have read many of your posts, and thank you for everything you've shared here. I was viewing some of your posted pictures last night. Grizzly, eh? LOL

I've cut and pasted your letter so that I may try to answer your questions briefly as possible. I'm a writer...I express with words, and sometimes too much.

Here goes:

Hey D Zigg!

I also adore David Bowie! If I had an animal I'd name it Ziggy!
Bowie is absolutely the greatest ever... on my music machines anyways.

So glad you have made yourself known and have shared your story.
Thanks, it took some nerve.

Are your partner's symptoms the same as yours?
Not exactly the same symptoms, but many symptoms the same.

In the same places?

No. I was first attacked all over my body, except NOT on my face. The attack happened when I was cutting up cardboard boxes in our garage to take to the trash. Hot water heater in garage had leaked some (oh how convenient for 'them'), and has since been replaced.
Very interesting point is that every bite on the left side of my body appeared in the exact same place on the right side of the body. This was arms, legs, hands, torso.

Is there any pattern to where either of you break out in lesions?

As for Mine:
There does not appear to be the same pattern happening at this time. I got rid of the body bites after a lot ... A LOT ... of attempts. Finally I dotted each and every one of them with black walnut powder and they dried up and died. I did not try to wash off the black walnut powder, and in fact re-applied it 'just in case'. But by then they had settled in under my breasts and around my waist. I haven't been able to wear a bra for two years. They are gone from there now, but am still afraid to wear a bra.

As soon as they were gone from under my breasts, they appeared on the left side of my face and traveled to the right with uniformity. By then I knew I had them in my nose and mouth as well. This is a frightening truth.
They have now been on my face since November of 2008. I got rid of all except on the right side of my face. Left side is mostly cleared up.

My Partner's:

My partner had severe lesions from left shoulder to right shoulder and down her back bone. Also down the left shoulder and eventually to the left wrist on the outside of her arm...then to inside of left wrist. At this time the shoulder to shoulder lesions are gone and the arm lesions are almost gone.

Do you have any mold in your home or live in a wooded area? Old plumbing/heating?
No mold that I know of except small in one corner of the garage. I don't know how to get rid of it. Any ideas on that? Hmmmm. We do have a wooded area beyond the fenced in back yard. In our back yard proper...Huge oaks, lots of big azalea bushes (over planted by previous owner). I am sure the plumbing and hvac has been here since the house was built but don't remember how old this house is. Old enough to present problems, I'm sure.

City or well water?City sewer or septic tank?
City water (which I've passed under the microscope and I've seen worrisome things in the water). We put filters on our kitchen sink and our showers, but who knows what protection that allows from microscopic things?
City sewer connected.

Ever notice lots of airplane 'trail' action in the sky above?
Yes! Not often. Sporadic activity....but wide spread trails.

Are either of you aware if you have candida?
Don't know, and good luck finding out anything from doctors these days.

There is something I have noticed that has concerned me. We have 'things' entering our kitchen from the floor level in the washing machine area....specks....grey and small, sometimes reddish and very flat. I never see them move .... but believe me....they move alright.

Also in the bathrooms. Grey specks and white things on the dark (rubber) mats. We gave up on rugs...and may have to give up the mats, due to porosity. Anywhere there is moisture, 'things' appear. But then, I know they are in places where there is no moisture as well. Microscopic examination shows that the 'floor things' look very much like what appears in scabs from my lesions.

Have you heard anything like this before? 'Things entering the house' where plumbing is?

Just one more question. Is sulphur cream known to do any good for some of us?

Most of all, thank you so much for replying to my post. I don't ever talk to anybody about this....and that makes the plight harder.

Welcome and I'm sure you'll be happy here.
Thank you for your warm welcome. It's good to be here.

[Kritters]

And I'll respond to your answers:

Originally Posted by d.zig

Kritters...

I feel that I know you! I have read many of your posts, and thank you for everything you've shared here. I was viewing some of your posted pictures last night. Grizzly, eh? LOL

wow, you're so welcome..I know I have a rather big mouth but I'm obsessed about this and never stop thinking about it. I have more pics but having problems with scope camera.

I've cut and pasted your letter so that I may try to answer your questions briefly as possible. I'm a writer...I express with words, and sometimes too much.

Here goes:

Hey D Zigg!

I also adore David Bowie! If I had an animal I'd name it Ziggy!
Bowie is absolutely the greatest ever... on my music machines anyways.

So glad you have made yourself known and have shared your story.
Thanks, it took some nerve.

Are your partner's symptoms the same as yours?
Not exactly the same symptoms, but many symptoms the same.

In the same places?

No. I was first attacked all over my body, except NOT on my face. The attack happened when I was cutting up cardboard boxes in our garage to take to the trash. Hot water heater in garage had leaked some (oh how convenient for 'them'), and has since been replaced.
Very interesting point is that every bite on the left side of my body appeared in the exact same place on the right side of the body. This was arms, legs, hands, torso.
okay the hot water heater and tearing up cardboard in the garage where the leaks were is a major red flag for fungus.

I also have had symmetrical lesions when I had them on my arms and legs. when I break out on my face, they are also symmetrical but I have ALWAYS had symmetrical blemishes growing up although I didn't have break-outs often.

Is there any pattern to where either of you break out in lesions?

As for Mine:
There does not appear to be the same pattern happening at this time. I got rid of the body bites after a lot ... A LOT ... of attempts. Finally I dotted each and every one of them with black walnut powder and they dried up and died. I did not try to wash off the black walnut powder, and in fact re-applied it 'just in case'. But by then they had settled in under my breasts and around my waist. I haven't been able to wear a bra for two years. They are gone from there now, but am still afraid to wear a bra.

under breasts and around waist. Where latex is on your underwear? You might want to check out an organic cotton clothing store, or hemp store and make sure they use non-latex materials and stitching.

As soon as they were gone from under my breasts, they appeared on the left side of my face and traveled to the right with uniformity. By then I knew I had them in my nose and mouth as well. This is a frightening truth.
They have now been on my face since November of 2008. I got rid of all except on the right side of my face. Left side is mostly cleared up.

My Partner's:

My partner had severe lesions from left shoulder to right shoulder and down her back bone. Also down the left shoulder and eventually to the left wrist on the outside of her arm...then to inside of left wrist. At this time the shoulder to shoulder lesions are gone and the arm lesions are almost gone.

Do you have any mold in your home or live in a wooded area? Old plumbing/heating?
No mold that I know of except small in one corner of the garage. I don't know how to get rid of it. Any ideas on that? Hmmmm. We do have a wooded area beyond the fenced in back yard. In our back yard proper...Huge oaks, lots of big azalea bushes (over planted by previous owner). I am sure the plumbing and hvac has been here since the house was built but don't remember how old this house is. Old enough to present problems, I'm sure.
There is no doubt in my mind that you have mold in your garage/house from the water heater leaks. You really should hire a mold specialist to clean it out. There are other things you can do as well, which don't require such a high cost, but I'd take a loan out to get it done if it were me.

City or well water?City sewer or septic tank?
City water (which I've passed under the microscope and I've seen worrisome things in the water). We put filters on our kitchen sink and our showers, but who knows what protection that allows from microscopic things?
City sewer connected.
We have discussed the best water systems before here and I thing general consensus is an ozone unit.


Ever notice lots of airplane 'trail' action in the sky above?
Yes! Not often. Sporadic activity....but wide spread trails.
hmmm

Are either of you aware if you have candida?
Don't know, and good luck finding out anything from doctors these days.
You have to tell your doctor to test for it. If there are any naturopathic docs or osteopathic docs who practice natural medicine, they can order the testing. Otherwise, you can spit in a glass of water and see if it floats on top or settles down into the water to find out. Let it sit for a few hours.

There is something I have noticed that has concerned me. We have 'things' entering our kitchen from the floor level in the washing machine area....specks....grey and small, sometimes reddish and very flat. I never see them move .... but believe me....they move alright.

Also in the bathrooms. Grey specks and white things on the dark (rubber) mats. We gave up on rugs...and may have to give up the mats, due to porosity. Anywhere there is moisture, 'things' appear. But then, I know they are in places where there is no moisture as well. Microscopic examination shows that the 'floor things' look very much like what appears in scabs from my lesions.

Have you heard anything like this before? 'Things entering the house' where plumbing is?
Yes....this is fungus. Morgellons has a fungal aspect although we have to put it all together. There are definitely other things involved which come from the soil itself. It's in the air, the water and the land.

Just one more question. Is sulphur cream known to do any good for some of us?
sorry, don't know anything about that, but others do.

Most of all, thank you so much for replying to my post. I don't ever talk to anybody about this....and that makes the plight harder.

Welcome and I'm sure you'll be happy here.
Thank you for your warm welcome. It's good to be here.
Most of us have felt the same way and this place is a wonderful place to be to learn and share, for the most part.

Kritts

[pat]

Hi dzig I can relate to ALL you say above.I used to clean the house all the time till it dawned on me I was fighting a losing battle.My washer constantly gets overwhelmed with
them.They are cracking all the wall tiles etc. So I have more or less given up on the regime..I decided if I haven't got long left I aint going to spend it cleaning.
However on saying this I am having a go with a long forgotten item. In the old days here people used to whitewash stables and even houses.They used LIME. Now lime is antifungal.My father each winter would cover his vegetable garden in it..to kill fungus. Judging by amount of fungus in veg the farmers dont use it now! Well why would they with Monsanto products.
Anyway the point is that I am going to make a lime wash and paint the garage walls which are now black and prob the ceilings in the house with this. It can't do any harm and just may improve things.We'll see.

[posey]

Dzig, I too was going to put filters on our vents until I saw that the filters had he moving "M fibers. I think they are everywhere!!, without a doubt.

I also used to use the quick floor wet sheets for mop up too but then saw the moving "M" in them.

I bought the ventilators to wear while vaccuming and they have them also. We have a HEPA but there is still air which blows out the sides and therefore there is always something that hasn't been vaccuumed up yet that gets blown around.

So, I have gotten to the point you are at. I feel there is no getting ahead.

I have physicl health issues and when I am done with my scalp and face I always wonder who's goint to do the rest of my body. I have a mixture I put on and then scrape off after a few hours with the dull side of a small parring knife. This bring off/out th white things and shiny fiber layers on/under skin.

[d.zig]

Hi

I'm new at this, so am not kewl on how to use the system to reply, but am trying.

Okay, first, Thank You Kritters. Your input has turned on some light bulb moments for me. Everything you said made sense to me...Except, I don't think you have a big mouth at all. Instead, you have a highly intelligent mind and you are actively seeking answers, not just for yourself, but for all of us. We are our own 'doctors' here, because medical has 'checked out' pretty much on all illnesses.

I believe that 'medical' is driven by 'insurance' and 'drug' companies these days. I found a book on amazon.com which really drove this issue home for me. So much so that I had to stop reading it. NAPP (not a pretty picture).

I don't want to name products because, "Honey, I ain't sellin' nothin". But will say that the colloidal bentonite-montmorillonite mixed with powdered Plantango ovato blond psyllium seed plus husk is definately good for 'removing debris from the colon'. Label says the product has ability to, 'bind 40 times it's own weight in positively charged material, and remove it from the body via the digestive tract'. AND IT SURELY DOES. However, it is a gentle process...not...extreme or severe. So maybe this will help.
I've tried some of the otc worm medicines, but this seems much more powerful in a very BIG WAY.

To Posey, I understand what you mean. Everything, just about, seems to be contaminated. I know that cotton is one of the enemies, but I still wear it after it's been nearly burned to death in washer/dryer.

I have some old cotton bandannas from a 'previous life'. They can be washed and dried quickly, or soaked in what ever 'killing substance of choice'...dried...and then worn for a mask....You know, just think of the outlaws in the old cowboy movies. Although, might inspire desire for a holstered cap gun. They can also be good for protecting your hair/head, when made into a triangle and tied from back to front, or tied from front to back. Just a thought. Another thing that helps me sometimes it to use thick cream (I don't like to use product names, but) Cetaphil is very gentle and very thick, and I've used it as a body barrier cream on many occasions. It seems to work well. I gave up on DSP because it's so expensive. Also the last couple times I tried to use it, my 'enemies' had grown accustomed to it as they do with many things.

To Pat: I will be thinking of you as I am also painting my ceilings. Have to do it. They are stippled. I've vacuumed them ... and sprayed them, but I know I can't wash them... sooooo. Paint seems to be the only answer. As if we don't all have OTHER THINGS we'd rather be doing with our T-I-M-E.

I hope I've done this 'answering thing' the right way. Your replies are a real comfort and are also very helpful.

Warmest Regards
D.Zig

[jonsi]

Hi D.Zig,

Your posts are great, welcome!

I have tried/experienced most of the things ya'll are talking about here.

One thing that no one has mentioned is food allergies. After I was desensitized to the foods I was allergic to (wheat, rice, corn, peanuts, almonds, chile peppers) I improved. It is something to consider.

In the white light,
~jonsi

[spotted dog]

Hi Pat...your post brought back the memory of my Dad putting lime into the soil, never knew what it was for, guess I never thought I'd end up looking like this. pity we cant bathe in lime!...Spots

Good idea to paint walls & ceiling with it though...S.D.