Why Wymore may be dissing Morgellons Food Connection

[tcmgpt13]

I think we need to see Wymore in a new light. His university ties probably may hogtie and bias any research he does on morgellons. I also think this may be why we are not hearing anything new from him. Just read the list of universities which are involved with Monsanto, including Oklahoma State:

Monmouth IL, NUE Conference Hosted by Monsanto

Here is the mission statement for the Plant Tranformation Facility at Oklahoma State:

Plant Transformation Facility

Mission Statement:

The purpose of the Plant Transformation Facility (PTF) is to stimulate research in the area of plant biotechnology within the state of Oklahoma by providing access to the latest transformation technologies. The PTF provides access to equipment and instrumentation used in direct (Biolistics, vacuum infiltration, or electroporation) and bacterial (Agrobacterium) methods of DNA transmission into desired plant species, that may be unavailable to individual research programs.

Some research being done at this institute:

Project Title: Improving Fungal Resistance in Wheat

Project Leaders: Arron Guenzi, Dep. of Plant and Soil Sciences, O.S.U.

Sponsoring Agency: Oklahoma Agricultural Experiment Station

Objective: Create transgenic wheat which accumulate chitinases and glucanases and evaluate progeny for resistance to fungal diseases.

PENDING PROJECTS:

Project Title: Coat Protein Mediated Resistance to Wheat Streak Mosaic Virus

Project Leaders: John Sherwood, Dep. of Plant Pathology, O.S.U.

Sponsoring Agency: Oklahoma Agricultural Experiment Station

Objective: Produce transgenic wheat plants which overproduce the coat protein of wheat streak mosaic virus (WSMV) and evaluate whole plant resistance to WSMV.

I believe it may be possible that Monsanto has so infiltrated universities which are doing food research that it will probably be next to impossible for any of us to learn the real truth of what is being done to the food supply. Research money I am sure influences direction of research, just as the drug companies are also influencing research done in these same institutions.

Probably Wymore is only allowed to say so much, and admitting transgenic food could be part of the picture could mean the loss of making a living.

To me the structure of the world is so similar to what I studied so many years ago in medieval history, where the people with power controlled everything that happened to folks who did not have that much money and often not enough food. The same thing happens today. It is just the structure is different from kings, queens, dukes, etc. Now it is big corporations, pharmaceutical companies and governments. The world is still organized for the benefit of the few who do not really care what happens to those with no power and little money (in comparison to their vast wealth). Everything is organized so that they can control the population and the outcome they want which is to create more wealth and power for themselves. Of course they will mouth sweet platitudes to keep this power (that is those who do not use brute force as we see in some countries, such as in Myanmar where donated food and water seems to be filling the warehouses controlled by the military junta). These platitudes blind the average person to what is really going on and what is being done to them.

[Morgan]

One must recognize the fact that this man has not been silenced as far as seeking public recognition for this disease. If he were being completely hogtied as you say then would he not sit silently by in the shadows?

He has been very outspoken with the media and by his very presence in numerous interviews has single handedly lent credibility and much needed attention to this devastating condition.

I hear what you are saying but I thought it necessary to interject the fact that he has also done so much to our benefit by being a very outspoken spokesperson for our cause, sometimes with great personal risk.

Are you aware that this man was actually given death threats for speaking out for our cause during a radio talk show?

I would call that not only couragous but committed and not so easily swayed.


Morgan

[tcmgpt13]

Can you tell me if all this outspokeness from Wymore happened before or after the split with MRF? I cannot find anything this man has said lately to bring about public awareness of morgellons (except perhaps on a DVD from the Austin conference which I do not own and is therefore not fee free information available to all, but I will have to take the word of some at the conference that there did not seem to be much new from Wymore's corner about morgellons except that in his opinion there seems to be no connection between food and morgellons--and this university apparently may have ties to bioengineered and transgenic foods and perhaps it might have an interest in no one finding such a connection?). If you can find more recent statements by Wymore which bring morgellons to the forefront it would be interesting to read them.

Wymore's position statement has not been updated since June 2007 on the OSU website. Links on the OSU site are all older links of older stories about Morgellons. The radio interview by him is dated. Some links do not even work (CNN TV show for one). The OSU site pages on Morgellons seem to have been static for months now.

Why is there nothing more recent? Nothing mentioned about research being undertaken elsewhere? Nothing about new research being undertaken by Wymore?

Could you give me a reference which states when he received death threats? Something that he said himself? Not saying that it did not happen, but it is good to know this is a verified statement of fact and not hearsay.

I am not saying that Wymore has not done anything for morgellons research in the past which at the time was courageous, but I do wonder why nothing seems to have been done which might be called new. If there is nothing new from him then is it not perhaps feasible he might be hogtied and therefore also might have some bias towards not seeking a food/morgellons connection?

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by tcmgpt13

Can you tell me if all this outspokeness from Wymore happened before or after the split with MRF? I cannot find anything this man has said lately to bring about public awareness of morgellons (except perhaps on a DVD from the Austin conference which I do not own and is therefore not fee free information available to all, but I will have to take the word of some at the conference that there did not seem to be much new from Wymore's corner about morgellons except that in his opinion there seems to be no connection between food and morgellons--and this university apparently may have ties to bioengineered and transgenic foods and perhaps it might have an interest in no one finding such a connection?). If you can find more recent statements by Wymore which bring morgellons to the forefront it would be interesting to read them.

Wymore's position statement has not been updated since June 2007 on the OSU website. Links on the OSU site are all older links of older stories about Morgellons. The radio interview by him is dated. Some links do not even work (CNN TV show for one). The OSU site pages on Morgellons seem to have been static for months now.

Why is there nothing more recent? Nothing mentioned about research being undertaken elsewhere? Nothing about new research being undertaken by Wymore?

Could you give me a reference which states when he received death threats? Something that he said himself? Not saying that it did not happen, but it is good to know this is a verified statement of fact and not hearsay.

I am not saying that Wymore has not done anything for morgellons research in the past which at the time was courageous, but I do wonder why nothing seems to have been done which might be called new. If there is nothing new from him then is it not perhaps feasible he might be hogtied and therefore also might have some bias towards not seeking a food/morgellons connection?

The last thing I wanted to do is to glorify some disturbed individual by putting them in the spotlight but you seem to be a doubting Thomas.

The 'X' Zone Radio & TV Show: BREAKING NEWS: Email received by The 'X' Zone sent as warning to Morgellons Researcher, Dr. R Wymore in response to last nights interview
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As far as Wymore doing interview since the split with the MRF, are you kidding? All you have to do is a google search under Morgellons and news.
He is cited so many times it boggles the mind. As far as specifics and new information well that is not for me to address as I do not work with Dr. Wymore and I will not speak for another.

Some recent examples of him championing our cause by his mere presence.

Inside Edition;
Inside Edition - News

According to Dr. Wymore, “We only know what they're not made of…Morgellons are not any known textile…cotton, nylon, rayon…not any of those.”

The fibers don't even burn when exposed to high heat.

Many in the medical community are skeptical nonetheless.

But those who suffer from Morgellons disease are desperate.


Jan. 16, 2008
FOXNews.com - CDC Orders Study Into Morgellons Disease - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News
Randy Wymore, an Oklahoma State University pharmacologist, who believes the condition is not a psychiatric one, says there is distrust by some Morgellons sufferers toward the new study.

Some of these patients who are Kaiser Permanente members have said they don't like the way they've been treated by Kaiser doctors and probably won't participate, said Wymore, who formerly was a research director for a patient group and hears constantly from Morgellons patients.

"They felt that Kaiser was particularly unreceptive to treating them for anything other than a psychiatric disorder," said Wymore.
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I could continue but I have other things to do.

Thank you


Morgan

[Jo]

Hi tcm, morgan.

I think we should have the main points from the DVD written down. I'm happy to do it, if someone bungs me a copy. I've heard it from two sources that the conference did talk about altered agrobacterium looking identical to borrelia spirochetes. Is Wymore working with Citovsky on this...need to watch that DVD.

I'm wondering if Wymore said "no" to Jonsi's question to him about the importance of food, from a perspective of diet ceasing symptoms, rather than pathogens within foods causing transmission....just thinking aloud here. Jonsi?? could there be misinterpretation do ya think?

I know that previously Wymore has apologised for not updating sufferers on progress with research. I appreciate this. I think we should get the update from the DVD and if we need further updates we could ask him.

All major Universities are big on biotech in US and UK and much of the funding comes from the private sector. I'm sure more clashes of interest will take place, which is why I think its good to have an independent lab on the case too, although money for research is a major issue.

Morgellons Disease - Clongen La

My thoughts in a nutshell to add to the discussion. If anyone's got a copy of the DVD and wouldnt mind sending it to me, please pm me, I would be very grateful.

Jo xxx

[tcmgpt13]

Good idea Jo, to see if anyone can share the info from the DVD with you and post it here to learn what really was said/not said at the conference. And yes, Jo, most universities are into biotech big time which is why it is so scary and why I wonder if anyone, no matter how brave, can go against the amount of pressure which seems to be out there (look at Mark Darrah who can no longer use SUNY labs and he has tried so hard to keep us all informed too).

Morgan, the death threat link looks to me like someone's idea of a joke on the Morgellon's community (we are all so crazy and will believe anything published on the internet is one view many have of us). I find it very hard to believe a government informant (who wanted to be taken seriously) would send out something which was that amateurish. And to the X zone site? As you yourself say it could well have come from a disturbed individual, but to me it looks like a bogus note. As I say, I have not heard anything credible about these death threats allegedly being made toward Wymore, but if any were made directly to him hopefully someone credible knows about them and is taking proper precautions for his safety.

I do not believe asking for more current information about Wymore makes me a doubting Thomas. Thank you for two more recent statements by him (though the information quoted seems to reiterate what we already know from Wymore's research) which are in longer articles and include others also discussing morgellons. It is still not articles generated by him about more recent research he may be conducting at the present time. And I still wonder why he has not updated anything on the OSU website which discusses Morgellons.

Some of what I found on the first page of the google search using news morgellons:

Doctors Make Progress With Mysterious Disease - News Story - KTVU San Francisco

Doctors Make Progress With Mysterious Disease

POSTED: 7:26 pm PDT May 23, 2006
UPDATED: 4:48 pm PDT May 24, 2006

MySA.com: Medical

CDC considers Texas for Morgellons study

Web Posted: 07/25/2006 12:50 AM CDT

Bizarre Morgellons: Real or imagined? - More health news - MSNBC.com

updated 9:46 a.m. ET, Wed., Aug. 9, 2006

Local News | kgw.com | News for Oregon and SW Washington

Strange sickness: Mystery disease horror story

06:53 PM PDT on Thursday, May 18, 2006

By LAURAL PORTER, KGW Staff

Mom fights for answers on what's wrong with her son

All very old news--it was not until the second page I found anything more recent and some of it were repetitions of the same story. The Washington Post article which is one of the newer articles about Morgellons just rehashes the first information we all know about Wymore's early research:

Mystery Malady
Morgellons: Emerging illness or filaments of imagination?
By BRIGID SCHULTE The Washington Post

"Scientific testing

Randy Wymore, a molecular biologist who studies gene expression in cancer and heart disease at Oklahoma State University, was probably the first scientist to look at what doctors and dermatologists typically discard as bits of fluff and dust. In the spring of 2005, a student in his second year of cardiac pharmacology class asked Wymore a question about muscle fibers. On a Friday, searching the Web for answers, he hit upon some fiber disease and Morgellons sites. "It sounded totally crazy," he says. But, over the weekend, he kept thinking about the fibers. On Monday, he figured it should be easy enough to determine if the fibers really are from textiles, as doctors say, or from the body, as sufferers contend. So he e-mailed some of the people who'd posted photos of their fibers asking for samples to analyze.

He was expecting to get bags filled with dirt, ants, flies or cotton threads. Instead, within 48 hours, he started getting packages from Texas, Washington, Florida, California, Pennsylvania and other states. What he saw was surprising. "Even though they were coming from very different places, they all looked very similar to one another," Wymore says. "The texture and shades – a cobalt blue, red fibers that are almost a magenta color – are very, very similar." And they all autofluoresced, or glowed, in certain light. He picked threads out of bluejeans, fuzz from the carpet, even pepper flakes and compared them to the fibers. He became convinced that the fibers were something entirely different.

With a colleague, Rhonda Casey, a pediatrician, and a $4,000 grant from the Morgellons Research Foundation, Wymore got fresh fiber samples from 20 Morgellons patients. He brought them to fiber analysts at the Tulsa Police Department's forensic lab. The red and blue fibers did not match any of some 900 commercially available textiles in its database. They were not modified rayon, nylon, cotton or anything previously catalogued. Then forensic scientists tried to burn one of the fibers, heating it to 700 degrees Fahrenheit, to determine if it matched any of 85,000 known organic compounds. Again, nothing matched. And the heat, which typically vaporizes any organic material, did nothing to the blue fiber. "We were able to reach in with a tweezers and pick it up," Wymore says. So, he is pretty clear about what the fibers aren't. "But I don't have the foggiest idea what they are."

Wymore has since had a falling out with Leitao and other MRF board members over management and funding issues and has started his own foundation at Oklahoma State to raise funds and search for a cure."

The above quote indeed comes from a more recent article (200 about morgellons, but the section on morgellons and Wymore is what he was saying three years ago.

I hope that we can learn if anything new (about morgellons) is being studied by Wymore, such as has he learned what the fibers are? In any aspect? Just because I would like to see more information about Wymore's recent research progress does not mean his earlier research is unappreciated. Just believing we were sick and that something was wrong and then doing what research he could afford at the time, well that is priceless indeed.

[Kritters]

Amen to that, TC
Kritts

[jonsi]

Hi everyone,

I specifically asked Wymore about organic vs inorganic foods and told him as Morgellons sufferer I could feel a big difference in my health when eating "junk" foods compared to organic foods. He dismissed me by saying "food has nothing to do with Morgellons". He closed the symbolic door.

At the convention there was a lot of mentioning antibiotics etc, but no mention of homeopathic medicine. I want to walk softly here. I don't want to alienate anyone. We need to work together with those who already have the publicity and a "name" in the Morgellons' community. I hope they will take a closer look at the old saying "food is our medicine, and medicine is our food". Maybe if someone would try this approach "one" wouldn't be able to say "Morgellons is eating me alive. How about you?"

Thanks for asking, my homeopathic approach is working very well for me, all things considered.

In the white light,
~jonsi

[2manyfibers]

Hey jonsi – I think you’re right about food being involved myself. In fact, although he apparently doesn’t seem to realize it himself (or maybe he does – you may be right TCM), Dr. Wymore’s own research clearly indicates that food is involved at least indirectly if not directly. Dr. Wymore has identified fibers as containing sulfur and keratin. Sulfur is a required nutrient for the body to produce the keratins that make up skin cells ……….. and sulfur is obtained directly from food. Thus, there really can’t be any doubt that food is involved in Morgellons in some respect. Sulfur is also required to produce collagens – both collagens and keratins can be produced in the form of fibers and they both are used to structurally support skin cells (collagens more so than keratins as far as fibers are concerned – tendons, ligaments and the other “connective tissue” that connects our bones is made of collagen fibers).

I posted in another thread that organophosphates are used as pesticides, herbicides and fungicides on food crops and that the residues of them are found on the “skin” of some of the foods we eat. Organophosphates are also found IN the foods we eat from genetic modifications (genetically inserting organophosphates in plant tissue) and from animals like cows consuming organophosphates from what they eat (and organophosphates are also used for controlling parasites like mites in livestock as well). Many organophosphates also contain sulfur as part of their chemical makeup and many GM crops were modified with the intent of producing more sulfurous proteins than what normally occurs in these crops. Thus, it only makes sense to me that food is certainly involved in one way or another with Morgellons.

As I noted previously, Mark Darrah has documented that the “glitter” he’s looked at appears to be organophosphorus acetate (organophosphates are used in a variety of chemical compounds like acetates, hydrolases, etc.). This information combined with Dr. Wymore’s research indicates to me that there is a very good possibility that food in one way or another could be a direct cause of Morgellons. Organophosphate “poisoning” can cause symptoms like decreased brain function (brain fog), neurological symptoms (like muscle tremors and breathing problems) and autoimmune disorders (like CFS, fibromyalgia, etc.). GM foods often produce unnatural proteins that aren’t recognized by the body (they may be similar to natural proteins in the body) and it seems like a good possibility to me that the body could be using these unnatural proteins in the normal process of building keratins and collagens (which are the key structural proteins that physically construct the body). But the body simply can’t produce the collagens and keratins as they are supposed to be produced because our DNA can’t use these unnatural raw materials to produce these proteins correctly (the unnatural proteins from GM foods and organophosphates as well may make the keratins and collagens we produce be abnormal which could explain many of the symptoms of Morgellons like lesions and strange fibers).

Most organically grown foods aren’t sprayed with organophosphates and the residues of them are not found on most organic crops according to several studies (which could explain why you “feel better” eating organic foods). However, even many of the organic crops are grown using genetically modified seeds so even organic foods could be a problem (it is more and more difficult to find “natural” seed, especially in quantities large enough for farmers to use – also some organic farms are using “bio-solids” a.k.a. sewage sludge for fertilizers and this sludge often contains industrial chemicals and heavy metals, and who knows what else since it isn’t tested before being used as fertilizer). I’ll post something in the theory and speculation section soon with some documentation on all of this and how it seems to fit together (there is also a tie-in involving parasites becoming resistant to organophosphates which could explain why antibiotics and anti-parasitical medications don’t seem to completely clear up Morgellons - organophosphates also negatively impact the immune system which could allow parasites and other pathogens to gain a "foot-hold" in the body initially).

[jonsi]

Jo wrote "I think we should have the main points from the DVD written down."

I found a summary of what's on the dvd (from Chas Holman Foundation site) and pasted it under the "Conference in Austin..." thread. I will paste it here too!

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Scientific/Medical Conference on Morgellons
Austin DVD set information:

What's on the DVD's

BRIEF SUMMARY OF SPEAKER'S POINT

Dr. Raphael Stricker reviewed a brief history of his involvement with Morgellons and compared the situation to the early years of the AIDS epidemic. He reviewed some of the clinical aspects of the disease and his belief that Agrobacterium species may be involved in some manner in the disease process.

Thus far, research by Dr. Vitaly Citovski, Stony Brook Research Institute, has found PCR evidence of Agrobacterium in tissue samples of all Morgellons patients tested. No evidence of the presence of Agrobacterium has been found in the control tissue samples.

I believe it should be noted that Agrobacterium has the ability to insert its DNA into a variety of plant species, and has recently been noted to be the only known species of microbe capable of infiltration of the DNA of not only plant species, but animal species as well.

Ms. Ginger Savely, FNP-C, then spoke of her experiences treating Morgellons. She noted the common history and physical findings of Morgellons in many Lyme positive patients coming to her for care.

As one of the few clinicians who believes in the reality of Morgellons and has published about the disease, she has attracted a large number of Morgellons patients to her practice. Indeed, she likely has seen and treated more patients with Morgellons than any other clinical health care provider.

Ms. Savely shared a number of her observations about the disease and her treatment experiences, emphasizing each patient is unique and may require treatment tailored to that individual’s needs.

Dr. Randy Wymore, research scientist with Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences, Tulsa, presented an overview of his interest in the disease and some of the facts discovered in his research efforts.

As the fibers seemingly produced in the body of Morgellons patients seem unique, much of Dr. Wymore’s research has focused on them. To date, exactly what the fibers represent and their role in the disease process is unknown. What is known is mostly what the fibers are NOT. They are not of textile origin, as has been assumed in the past. Not only did a forensic analysis by a textile expert with the Tulsa, OK, PD fail to match the fibers with the FBI fiber database,other research revealed the fibers do not have the characteristics of textile fibers. One example is that the fibers do not dissolve in any of the common laboratory chemicals generally used to dissolve material in preparation for chemical analysis!

Dr. Greg Smith then discussed the fact that Morgellons is not just an odd skin disease, but a multi-system disorder with a profound impact on the health and life of infected patients. He stressed the importance of emphasizing this to health care practitioners and the media as the systemic impact is profound and it is all too easy to focus only on the bizarre skin symptoms thus failing to understand the true impact this disease has on individual patients.

Dr. Smith noted the high proportion of psychiatric illnesses in Morgellons patients which occurred after the initial skin symptoms and were not present prior to the illness. He noted this pattern of mental illnesses along with the failure of many dermatologists to do complete, appropriate medical evaluations of Morgellons patients has led to poor medical care for many patients. He related a story from his medical school days which taught him several valuable lessons for his practice. First, never make assumptions. Second, crazy people get sick, too! Their mental problems should never cause health care providers to dismiss or fail to investigate their complaints.

Before the lunch break, the group was entertained by Mr. Lee Mounger. Lee is a professional musician and was a friend of Charles Holman for 30 years. He performed several songs written by himself and Charles Holman.

Lee's musicical performance was a moving tribute to one of the strongest advocates for Morgellons patients lost to us because of a myocardial infarction last September 6.

After the lunch break a video presentation by Dr. Elizabeth Rasmussen was shown. Unfortunately, due to health issues, Dr. Rasmussen was unable to attend in person.

Dr. Rasmussen's presentation revealed some of her findings about Dermatology research and training.

Harriett Bishop, current President of the Texas Lyme Disease Association spoke of living with Morgellons. She discussed her own illness and the major impact on her life. As she learned to live with the illness, she became a survivor with a message!

Her emphasis on spirituality and a positive attitude was moving and inspirational. Her example and message should be guidelines for life for anyone with a chronic disease!

Mark Darrah presented some of his research including a number of Scanning Electron Microscopy images as well as high resolution light camera images. I believe many Morgellons patients will appreciate his images as in some instances they will see examples similar to those they've viewed with their home microscopes, but with awesome detail and clarity.

Mr. Darrah’s main research interest is the “goo” of Morgellons lesions. This almost glue-like exudate from open Morgellons lesions seems to have qualities very different from the normal weeping secretions from skin abrasions. Mark believes understanding of this material will be vital to understanding the disease process.

The last speaker of the day was Mr. David Gibbs, MS, CDRP. Mr. Gibbs is a patient advocate and representative for Social Security disability claims.

Mr. Gibbs reviewed the process of applying for disability with Social Security, including some of the difficulties and challenges of the process. He encouraged anyone beginning the application process to seek professional help to maximize their chances of a speedy and positive outcome.

At Conference closing all the speakers participated in a lively question and answer session.
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Itwl,
~jonsi