Think Eating Fish is Good For Us?

[tcmgpt13]

Well, I was trying to find some old information for Kritts, which was about fish and a cotton lide parasite which was being found in rockfish in the Chesapeake Bay Area, MD and D.C. and VA. Anyway, I did find a very interesting discussion just now about mycobacteria being in Striped Bass from that area. Rockfish is also mentioned towards the end of this article. Personally, having caught what I have from eating a cooked fish in a restaurant (in my case grouper) I no longer eat fish, although the article here reassures consumers that properly prepared and cooked it is safe to eat fish who have been infected with mycobacteria (I suppose though they may not also be considering what other parasites the fish could have or whether it has heavy metal toxicity). Mmmmm, yum, yum...

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/dnrnews/i...***_health.asp

[Kritters]

TC!
Thanks for checking! You know, I used to enjoy dining in restaurants. Now, since I try to stay away from pasta, it's difficult to find something on the menu I would eat. Guess I'll just have to do Mexican. The jalepenos will be good for the parasites anyway!

xo
Kritts

[tcmgpt13]

Well, kritters, I still do eat some fish which has been suggested by a couple of alternative news letters I subscribe to where the people suggesting the sources are concerned about the quality of fish being sold. I do not order the frozen fish as it is very expensive, but do use the canned fish from two sources for an occasional meal. As no matter how careful the folks from these companies are about their sources there will still be some mercury in the seafood (though they try to include only younger fish as sources to sell to the public, not fish which are large and have had more time to accumulate heavy metals).

Here is a very lengthy but very interesting article on many of the dangers we all face when consuming seafood, not the least of which is the unhealthy living conditions of aquaculture raised seafood. Shrimp anyone? The article is long, but I think it is very worthwhile reading, but is now no longer found on the internet

So since the link I posted here originally does not work and I am unable to locate the article I am posting another aquaculture article which discusses fish farming and the environment. Evidently there has been some improvement in the shrimp farm raised fish as far as discharges into surrounding waters . There are a few glimmers of hope for some improvement in farm raised fish, but as always the word cheaper creeps in as a point for the lowering of future organic standards. These are the countries to suspect the most as far as farm rasied fish:

"Most violations occurred in farmed fish imported from Asia—mainly China, Vietnam, and Indonesia—and South America."

Trying to avoid seafood from suspect countries is one way to influence such practices. Loss of market share could force them to conform to higher standards and stop using heavy antibiotics, carcinogenic fungicides and coloring agents. There are denials from some that such practices have stopped, but perhaps this is not always true, especially in countries like China which are heavily polluted. This article is more updated and discusses the environment and farm raised fish along with the possibility that US aquaculture farms may be able to profit from the organic market:

Aquaculture Navigates Through Troubled Waters

[Unclear3]

Very interesting, as I was raised on fish, my Dad own a Seafood Resturant, so we ate alot of fish, fish is one of my favorite foods, although I have not had any since getting this. I want so bad to have some shrimp, cooked in loads of Garlic, or stuff salmon, with crab and scallops. I was never really a meat eater, but I love my fish and my salads. I am getting to the point that no matter what we do, it seems like it is bad for you. Is this really living. At 50 I am not sure I want to spend the rest of my life eating what is so called safe foods. I broke down and had a half of a hamburger yesterday, can't tell you how good it taste, I had a half of one two weeks ago also, the only meat I have eaten since June. I had no reaction, felt good, and gave me some strenght back. I am not going to California, makes no sense, as I know for a fact that it is the fungas Gnat, and when you google it, they are everywere. So taking my meds and supplements, baths, showers and detox. I really want to get back out in the garden. It is so dead looking out there, when I had a beautiful garden with a Koi Pond and all, everything in the yard has been treated weekly with the echo chem products. The Koi never looked healthier, too bad it's not me. And for those that believe in the higher power, please pray or what ever your faith is, my grandson fell and the root of the tooth is all broken in small piece's in his gum, we are lucky he is still with us, Thanks and Have a Great weekend, Aloha Unclear

[tcmgpt13]

I agree, Unclear, it is very hard to read about so many of our favorite foods being harmed in one way or another. I think though that if you try to be careful to buy some organic meat that this is probably all right to have sometimes. Beef and lamb do strengthen the body. There are places online where you can buy fish from folks who try to get fish which is healthier than the farm raised seafood being sold in most grocery stores. So I think it is possible to find foods. It is just more expensive and more difficult to obtain sometimes. I try to buy what I can afford and the rest of it I try to clean as best I can, the fruits and vegetables. Thank goodness for Walmart where we can buy a few organic foods. We do have to eat, but these days it certainly is a minefield to pick and choose what hopefully has some good food value left to nourish the body.

Your dad's restaurant sounds like it served some really wonderful seafood and probably in those days the fish was not as polluted as it is today. It brings back memories I have of going to the beach when I was younger with my folks and then winding up in a seafood restaurant for dinner before heading on home. It is sad to think we cannot pass that world on to our children and grandchildren.

I am so sorry to hear that your grandson fell with such awful consequences to his tooth. Hope it was a baby tooth and that soon we will have answers for this disease. It is hard not to worry about the children and the world they are left to inherit. I know though that with your help they will be all right.

[Kritters]

I'm tempted to order from Vital Choice Seafood, but I just don't trust any source at this point.
Kritts

[niecy]

i just found this article about fish poisoning in the Gulf of Mexico. I can't remember who it was, but someone on the forum says they got Morgellons from eating grouper.

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2008/NEW01790.html

I love fish...............Niecy

[tcmgpt13]

Great article Niecy. I am the member who caught morgellons from eating grouper and so this was quite interesting to me. Actually at the time I became sick I wondered if a nerve toxin like Ciguatera Fish Poisoning could be involved with what I was experiencing, but dismissed it to myself as unlikely since it was not a puffer fish. I certainly had the kinds of symptoms mentioned in this article along with a boatload (well it seemed like that--I exaggerate slightly) of parasites and strange white lesions. I can see now I was extremely fortunate to have had the help of my TCM friend for a year to clean out much of what had happened to me with herbs. I still get some tingling in my lips, but it is almost gone now and as I get more of whatever this is out of my body with herbs and my salves the symptoms continue to lessen overall. I wish I could say they were all gone, but compared to when I first became ill I am doing much better.

I used to love fish too, but now limit my consumption to the occasional can of salmon or tuna from sources who are careful about the fish they offer for purchase by consumers (as careful as one can be with the oceans everywhere showing some level of heavy metal contamination and other problems such as toxic algae and parasites).

[EvDownJr]

Some of symptoms could look like Ciguatera toxic response. What's weird for me is I don't eat fish: Not that there's anything wrong with it. Yet another possible trigger for my flares seemed to coincide after sunny water vacations. Last time I was in Hawaii like May 3 years ago. I felt totally good there. However, I remember snorkeling a lot in a small reef off Waikiki along with Haunauma bay. Most of the fish "looked" healthy, however I know there were a lot of parrotfish and some eels. I recall reading that these organisms can carry such a toxin. Would be interesting to know if this toxin could become waterbourne without actual physical contact or consumption of a suspect fish. Of course, shortly after I returned, the madness started again. Hard to say if there was any correlation to those reef dwellers, the mildew on the rocks, the toxic oil possibly emulating from the enormous barges carrying new cars from LA. In any case, there could also be more than one factor compromising the immune system allowing this to happen or bringing back madness from a semi-remission.

Time will tell.

[MELISSAJ]

This saddens me so much. I love the ocean yet I believe there is a connection with my illness and our time spent at the ocean and in rivers.

I believe it is complex. It is some combination of variables which did this to us.

What bothers me the most, is that I want to live life to the fullest and feed my children and let them enjoy the many choices of food that I grew up with....

So, being smart can often limit your options! No fish, no meat, organic produce, home made bread. I feel like the Amish are onto something!!

Melissa