Harvey interview posted on drstressdoc

[10meters]

Following is part of my phone conversation with Dr. Harvey which may be of use to you in understanding the curse.

He spent the first portion of the call on my history regarding when first symptoms were experienced from the day of the dust cloud. I had within two days of the dust cloud feelings of itching and being eaten alive. I told him of the tremendous biting feelings, described the insect I found wiggling on my finger thinner than a hair only about 1/16” in length, the black specs, the rashes around the bites, the plug samples, the different meds, my early control with garlic and diet—the papules that turned into hardened masses like scabs that never came off. He asked if I had any red spots like strawberries, and I confirmed their presence.

He then wanted to know in-depth my symptoms which he was by in large surprised I have very few compared to most who have suffered this long. I summarized my diet and how it has helped keep symptoms at bay and later on in the discussion, he mentions that the diet may have significantly reduced my symptoms when I asked him about the flu and that I noticed my symptoms seemed worse during the flu.

After he took the information, he began to explain the origin of these infectious agents and I happened to remember to turn on my recording device about one minute after he began as he’s sharing the source of the pathogens. Some of the medical terms may be misspelled.

Dr Harvey: Unbelievable, we’ve cultured tobacco mold, cultured bacteria blowing across the ocean from north Africa blowing across the Atlantic Ocean through the currents that flow from the south that bring particles from North Africa Riding on those currents are bacteria. We’ve found almost anything you want to name in people we’ve been treating. A bunch of symptoms like the kinds that you’ve been talking about.

Me: Sorry to interrupt, I just remembered back in the early stages when I was severely infected before I used the diet and the garlic, I would have these bites and huge rashes about an inch in diameter.

Dr Harvey. Ok, that’s what I see more commonly than anything.

Me: and I understand that rashes are caused by bacteria

Dr Harvey: Well, some maybe, some not. Some we don’t even know what they are. At some point, we know how to make it go away.

Me: That’s good news.

Dr Harvey: We don’t know what the specific agents are--they can be almost anything. In normal people, they aren’t a problem. If something happens to the immune system of the skin, then you’re going to get almost anything that comes along that were never meant for humans, but what was meant for plants and other animals. The world has millions of these things.

Me: That makes sense, they usually say that humans can’t get these things—they live on plants not on humans.

Dr Harvey: Why are you different and why are these other folks different? It took us a while to start to understand

I guess I was one of the first persons in the country who by accident tested one of these people for Borreliia and she was positive and I treated her for Borrelia and lo and behold, her skin lesions went away.

Me: now Borrelia is exactly Lymes’ disease?

Dr Harvey: No, Not exactly, the human variant. Borrelia does cause lymes disease if it’s a variant that comes out of the white footed mouse through a tick. When it’s human to human it’s slightly different Borrelia—it’s got the ability to move human to human.

Like Saars was an animal disease until it jumped form pigs to humans or was it chickens in China last year?

We think that Borrelia mutated into this new form probably a thousand years ago and has been in humans and moving at a level one can’t see and never tested for before.

Me: May I ask you what the connection is between morgellan’s and protozoan?

Dr Harvey: Yeah, borrelia is not a protozoa, but protozoa enter into this also. Ok, the protozoa we found--we thought that Lymes—we have the models that show how Borreliia can in the way that it keeps being extruded by red cells—it never leaves—just keep replenishing itself reproducing because red cell break open—they die every 120 days. Everyday a few pop open, dump borrelia into the blood stream. The immune system sees them, sends these organelles--they’re actually white cell types—T cells—fagocites—they’re fagocites and monocites that crawl along the blood ingest these pieces of bacteria and the monocites are actually the main trigger in the immune system that identifies the agent and starts sending out chemicals—psydocans chemicals sent through the blood that start the process of getting rid of a blood infection. There are a bunch of psydocans that are sent out--different types—one of the types is TnF alfa which makes chronic inflammation and so the entire body becomes inflamed at a very low grade and it starts to have a non good effect and also because the macrophage has taken up these things, it appeared as though they were being hampered in how they worked by the Borrelia got inside of them—we see in a microscope go in to be eaten by the macrophage and we go in a day or two later and look at the living blood still alive in the laboratory kept under a cover slip with oxygen and out of the borillia would come 50 of these things which meant they were taking over the macrophage, manufacturing their own babies, and usurping the energy. The macrophage was hampered in their activity and ability to function which meant immune deficiency.

Me: I had the flu about a month ago, I noticed my diet was much more sensitive I had problems.

Dr Harvey: That certainly happens your immune system takes a hit from the flu And the Psydocan levels—you have it pretty much under control, for someone else the flu symptoms would kick up faster and be more severe.

The main bacteria that get into the body first that shouldn’t be there are the organisms--primarily we’ve been looking at animal organisms—the protozoa and Babesia. Well, how would I know that it’s there? Because of the red dots on your skin is from Babesiz and it means that organism is sitting in your red blood cells. You’re infected. You would not be infected if you didn’t have Borrelia already. we thought it was Borrelia, but Borrelia also turns out to be a pathogen that one would not have gotten if it weren’t for a knock out of the macrophage.

Vandervilt University probably discovered last week what happened to the macrophage—that is maybe the essence of all chronic human illness-- of which one variant is what you have That is an organism called Chlamydia. It’s ubiquitous in the world, on animals, trees, soil, plants, and one gets it by droplet spread or dust spread. It gets into the body and then it starts to multiply and take over the macrophages and it hampers their function.

That’s sexually transmitted!

Well no, there are three species of Chlamydia We’re not talking about that species. Chlamydia pneumonia is the one doing the problem. Psychotica is one and Chlamydia trichcomotis causes eye and sexual problems. They have a property about themselves, but they are more easily dealt with and they don’t have the ability to knock out the macrophages.

Me: I tried some enzyme therapy with serapeptase and it made my condition worse.

Dr Harvey: Be careful about stuff like that because we know what to do to get you out of the problem. But first we need to know if Borrelia and Babesia are in there. And right now we don’t have good sensitive testing because we’re just getting started for Chlamydia so we’ll have to defer that..

Question is would you consider getting testing for Borrelia and Babesia through Igenix ASAP and that would allow us to treat you with what works at a level the insurance people wouldn’t fuss about it.

The following is paraphrased:

Other standard blood tests required are the CBC (the expanded version) and the CMP-14 blood test tells us about the liver, gall bladder

He discussed a couple different labs and suggested Bowen Research Lab in Florida that’s 100% and costs $250. Also discussed getting blood tests for my mother since she had been infected.

He went on to say that Dr. Bransfield in Red Bank is a world specialist is the disease plus the psychological effect experienced by many as connected to bipolar, ADD, ADHD and noted that Bransfield has written more text books and cured more people in the 25 years than anyone in the world.

There are still some unknowns and that is how to treat Morgellons (the mites). From what I gather at this point in time, many humans suffer from the effects of Borrelia and Babesia. Some of us unfortunates got them from mites which are a hell in themselves and others contracted these pathogens via ticks, mosquitoes or whatever.

Further discussion indicated that our weakened immune systems then causes us to be very easily affected by things like molds and other parasites that normally our immune systems would simply knock out.

If you click here, you'll go to a report his office sent me which outlines the etiology and treatements

[ladycolorado]

wow te meters see this REALLY INTERESTING. i am glad got to have dr. harvey help me , because they said my morgellons was BAD at the clinic. can you post more? what diet did you do to help? can we see more of the treatment part no lik on the first post. gee, wow you are amazing! thanks for this info, (LC).

[Kritters]

ditto to L.C.! Thanks so much tmeters for this information. It's definitely all going to come together because of people like you and the others here on this forum.
Kritters

[redibooks]

10 meters. So nice to see you sharing your info here. As I've emailed you before, I was glad to have found you when I did, as I hadn't found any other boards at that time, and this one wasn't even open yet (I don't think). This board has been a saving grace for so many, and your info will be a great addition.

I've followed the diet for many months but this summer I had to have fruit and these past few weeks I've been on an ice cream binge :P No relapse but I sure gained a few pounds I've been on antibiotics since about January (I think) and am on silver, copper and sulfur along with the antibiotics now. I'm not sure if I need to take it all, but I'm still fighting my hardest to have as few symptoms as possible.

I'm taking some essential oils internally and have found one product, (a multi level product so bear with me), that I've found to be superior to all in stopping the biting on my feet. Its an essential oil called thieves from young living and I take the oils, a few drops 2 x a day in my water, and I spray the house and shower & shampoo with their household cleaner. I think its a fabulous product! Its really made a noticable difference (especially around my computer!!!).

again, good to see you sharing here.

karen

[hilly]

10metres.... all sounds fascinating..thankyou.. can you send any more info on it ? really seems encouraging..

[tcmgpt13]

To all,

I haven't used the Young Living parasites oil (as Karen mentioned elsewhere it is an MLM, I bought it through my practitioner) internally in a while. I may do this next, as I haven't taken it in over a year. When I did I would see this come to the skin surface, all the linked round critters with a sting in between. I would wipe and it would come off as if an eraser had obliterated them, just dissolve. The product is called Parafree. My practitioner had me put it into capsules. Started off slowly and built up to a few.

Forgot about this. My parasites on the skin which came out with this were usually dark blue in color. I think that one of the parasites resembles a very tiny jelly fish. I had one come out from between my toes when I used the black cancer herbal salves and the foot detox machine. Imagine my total surprise. So I think that at least some of my sea originating parasites had the sort of ink which you find in larger sea animals such as octypus and squid. Maybe as a defense against the smaller animals who eat them. I think it worked its way into the larger fish via the normal food chain. I then caught it all from eating fish infected with these groups (I believe) of parasites. Why I feel morgellons varies from person to person--maybe exposed in a different way and to a different group of critters.

I am working this stuff out of lips using oregano oil (burns like anything--the diluted oil and the parasites both have burning properties), also use on gums. And it is working them out, though not pain free by any means. I can taste fish when it moves. The other day a load of them worked out through the urine (as I use all sort of herbs, etc my body dumps these critters periodically) and it smelled strongly of fish. I am making progress, as getting it out mean less reproducing internally.

I use far infrared sauna--sometimes my sweat will be orange in color, another sign they are hiding in liver/gall bladder. As stated I use many herbal formulas, add what I think I need to the basic TCM herbal teas I get from my practitioner. Getting it out, not pushing it down in is my goal. Trying to burn (literally I guess!) it out of my system by making it less attractive to parasites as a whole. Good thing I am larger than a fish. No wonder these critters go belly up when exposed to all this. I am certain mankind as whole is to blame for trashing the oceans and the waterways, not to mention the land and the plants. Truly I feel God weeps for his beautiful creation.

best,

tcm

[Kritters]

".......Truly I feel God weeps for his beautiful creation."

Amen to that.
Kritters

[ladycolorado]

you know, as a former patient of harvey's he explained alot, but still as a patient only so much time to ask questions. when the clinic was open, him and dr. martz, had like 5000 man hours need and they did real good job with only being able to provide a 1000. the phone consultations and monthly automated tests saved me alot of moey, i tell you. but thanks for posting this, (LC).

[hummingbird]

Great post 10meters, thanks.

"If you click here, you'll go to a report his office sent me which outlines the etiology and treatements"

I don't see anywhere to click for your full report. Do you have a website address for it?
thanks, hummingbird

[Kritters]

is something wrong with my connection, or was there never another post after asking for the link to the website on this?
Kritts