Alternative IV Therapies

[ladycolorado]

I will have to study this topic more in depth however I wanted to start this thread to open a dialogue on it as I find it interesting. Was I on IV Therapy? Yes. Although I had traditional antibiotics. I had little choice and fortunatley good care and it helped me to walk in my case and function.



With Chronic Lyme Disease therapy Iv treatment is not unusual in severe cases like mine. Also results are seen faster than taking drug orally.

I know of two types of Iv catheter so needles do not have to be used: a groshon catheter in the chest like I used to have (which is also common for chemotherapy and really if you ask me the better option) which is an outpatient procedure and the meds are dripped into a vein near the heart so the heart pumps the meds systemwide. Yes that is what I had and I am glad I did it but glad that is over.



Some get a pic line in the arm as well for IV therapy. I will say you save alot of money if you pay for a nurse to teach you how to give yourself IVs at home if you opt for antibiotic IV therapy if you are really sick and this is needed.


Of course I needed 3 IVs a day in the beginning. I hate to think how much that would have cost in hospital visits or office visits if I had to get them there. I managed to keep costs down even back then thanks to the docs kindness knowing I had no insurance but needed care.


However this thread is regarding not antibiotic IVs but some of the alternative IV therapies I have seen used for disease which MIGHT benefit a person with Morgellons Disease at least in theory.


I had a friend who received vitamin IVs for a time once a week and they said they indeed flet better. The downside was that they were 1000 dollars an IV. That is really excessive if you ask me regarding cost.


Some other possible IV therapies I have seen doing research are DMSO IVs, Iodine IV's and even hydrogen peroxide IVs. I know these things kill Morgellons Disease.

If a competant doctor (like an altertantive medicine doctor or one that knew both traditional and alternative medicine doctor administered these I wonder if they would be helpful for a person sick with Morgellons Disease?


Of course this is purely theoretical unless someone has had these therapies which I would be most interested to know about. Many people cannot tolerate antibiotics.

DMSO in past times was used for cancer therapy, peroxide and iodine ivs for Clamydia Pneumonia treatment (which some Morgellons/Lyme patients respond to). Vitamin IVs I know of two Morgellons patients who have had those.


I will see what I can dig up regarding these possible theoretical therapies as I find the subject interesting. If anyone would like to contribute or knows something about this subject it would be most appreciative as well.


Perhaps someone who was really sick knows about this.

(LC)

[ladycolorado]

Here is some about the theraputic uses of DMSO (Dimethyl sulfoxide) and some about IV therapy:
DMSO Dimethyl sulfoxide .

This link talks of IV Nutritional Therapy (even MSM!) and seminars for physicians:
IV Nutritional Therapy for Physicians - IV Micronutrient Therapy (IVNTP) .

Here is where a Naturaopathic website mentions Nutritional IV Therapy (for even Lyme Disease):
Black Bear Naturopathic - Services: Intravenous (IV) Therapy - Christine C. White, N.D. - Missoula, Montana .

I cannot find much regarding iodine IVs. I see mentions of it regarding stage 4 cancer therapy. I also saw mention of IV iodine for members listed medical protocols on a Clamydia Pnumonia treatment website some time back. Some of the previous links mention vitamin IV therapy. Interesting.



(LC)

[Sadsack]

IV Iodine is sometimes used for pre-op in certain procedures. My brother had it when he had triple bypass surgery.
My alternative medicine MD suggested IV peroxide but I didn't do it for several reasons.
SS

[Kritters]

I had 3 IV sessions plus chelation and I really believe it was instrumental in helping me (along with a few other things)

Kritts

[Baraka Obam]

I have had, 30 chelation IV, Hydrogenperoxide IV, ultra violet blood treatment IV, and vitamin mineral treatment IV. Could I tell you of a certain positive result, yes, I am poorer, maybe I am better in a way, but I can not tell you for sure, I truly wish I could.

I must mention chealation is to open blocked veins and remove heavy metals from the body, was that actually done, wish I had a toxicology report but I do not. The hydrogen peroxide treatment has been known to help some. I just did not see my improvement, that does not mean I did not improve in some area. I saw alot more improvement from a used low pressure soft side hyperbaric chamber I bought off off ebay.

[Kritters]

I'm thinking one or two different kinds of treatments simply cannot do the trick since we don't know what we're dealing with. If it's the mycoplasma fermentans, lyme, fungi and some protein and herpes all rolled into one....no one treatment will do the trick. Maybe several things at once, but who knows how your body will react to that? It's in your blood, then it isn't. Kill the adult, wait for the babies to hatch. Kill the bacteria, the fungi or virus is left. It it's a combination critter, everything designed to kill bacteria, fungi, virus, misfolded protein probably should be taken at once, at different times.

I don't think we all have the same thing, so no one protocol would work for all of us. It's all a shot in the dark.

What are we supposed to be paying the medical doctors for anyway? Oh that's right....they know everything to prescribe, but ask them to define mycoplasma. Ask them to describe what causes autoimmune diseases like Lupus, MS, Fibromyalgia, Crohns, etc. and what the cure is. Ask them what the updated tests for Lyme disease is. Ask them to name all the pathogenic organisms which manifest themselves in cutaneous lesions. Ask them how they enjoyed their last free dinner gratis of their pharmaceutical rep.

Kritters

[Kritters]

Baraka,

How did you make out with all the tests you had your doctor take? (if you don't mind my asking) Can you share which came back positive? (sorry if I missed your posts on it)

Kritters

[Baraka Obam]

I have not gone back to the doctor for the results. I started to roust the lesions once again to get as many or all lesions to the surface. SOOOOOOOOO, I uncovered a few on the one arm still with the scared pink skin. They run in a perfect line as the ones on the other arm did.

I am in NO big hurry to see this doctor really as she will probably try to give me some more bottles of antibiotics, I already have a refrigerator full of such unused stuff, LOL. Who knows some day something could come up that I am able to treat with them, I can have a antibiotic cocktail party. There is also the fact that I would like to put together a list of a few more things to be tested for.

You know there is an assumtion that we all do not have the same thing, that assumtion has got to be wrong. There is a main problem we all share, that problem I am almost sure is the one that makes the itching, We are all too sick from too many things for ther to be NO connective malady, one central vector that allows any and every disease and invader to florish inside us.

I have under the microscope seen the black garbage grow in the blood, and in the yellow goo I have seen these tube like hairs form from litterally nothing, they are pointed on the end but if they intersect that point goes away and it connected like a tube, when in fact it is a tube as you can see inside it. When these tubes intersect they also curve on the end. I have not checked yet but wonder if this curve when connected to the next tube will turn only one way, to me this would indicated flow in one direction. How does the tube know to start its curve, is it magnetics or electric. I would assume it is electric. The reason I say this is, have you ever seen the hairs keep spinning in the tub, they do not stop, and they litearlly all end up in one pile up to three. I know others have seen this because I have seen this many times. Who knows but soon as I learn to run this microscope camera I will deliver some interesting photos if possible a film of these things as they grow. It would be extreamly interesting to see the tubes connect themselves. They grow so long out of purly nothing and it will be hard to view it as it grows out of the scopes field of view. I will work on the camera and its software tonight. I bought the camera microscope that was online for $79 and adapted very easy the camera to my much better microscope, it works beautifully, but the software is complex with about 20 differnt pictures on how to extract the information from the disc. Pain in the butt!!! If I can see this happen, how in the world can they who have labs galore not. I do know one thing to view the reaction you must have fresh goo and fresh blood, it must be wet, I do not know but suspect that the heat from the microscope lamp incubates the reaction, that or the fact that it is removed from the magnetic or electric impulse of the human body. The lack of this field of power may trigger the reaction to make its own new reality on the outside of the human body or that matter any living thing. Who knows this is just conjecture. I will say one thing when you veiw the fliuds anew they have nothing in them, neither the blood or the goo, soon the blood is black and the goo with very little (tiny amounts of speck and red blood cells)in it has developed the tubes. Now I will work on the camera setup.

[Kritters]

Baraka,

don't you even want to know the results of your tests? You don't have to go to see her. You can call and have them mail the results to you or fax them. I've been told that if they didn't call you the results are negative. What a crock.

When I said I don't think we all have the same thing, I meant really that even though we might not have the same thing going on like insects coming out of skin or globs from the nose, etc, we still could have a common denominator and that is what we are all bonded with.

[weredIgo]

Hi,
I too feel there is some kind of common denominator to this. Either you are born with this or somewhere along the line you aquire it. Then it lays low, but actually I think there are signs of it for years that show. We just don't attribute these illnesses or problems to this. With all of us searching ALL the time, why is it we cannot match this up to something. It's in our blood, I know they see it, so what is the big secret. I'm seeing symptoms one by one in my family and they are sick with this and that all the time. It has not reared its ugly head yet though. My primary said one time under her breath that I should be in a place of my own, which at the time I didn't understand why she wouldn't be happy that I have my family. I have a little apt. behind the house but it makes me think about what I'm seeing in my family that this really could be catching. Oh well just thinking again.


C