Hey Sadsack – The information I based my post above on regarding the collection and testing “procedures was posted by Dr. Staninger on Rense.com.
The link below (with an excerpt) discusses that when the HDPE was identified, it came from samples apparently sent to Dr. Staninger through the mail (which I would assume at least a large portion of them were contained in plastic “Ziploc” bags). The specific lab used for this test wasn't identified in the report. One of the reports on that web page actually states that “A stick was used by the individual to collect the specimens. They were then placed in a plastic ziplock bag and saved for future analysis.” The report mentions that Dr. Staninger had consulted with the patient that the HDPE was associated with in FL (apparently at an earlier time – her office is in CA) – the HDPE was said to be part of a piece of “skin” that “fell” off the patient’s foot (apparently picked up off the floor by the patient and mailed to Dr. Staninger).
All the “reports” shown on this site list MIT as one of several “labs’ that could have been used for general testing (every sample tested has the same list of “labs” that may or may not have been used to perform the referenced testing on individual samples). However, this section of the report provides no indication it was actually MIT that did the testing on the sample that was determined to be HDPE – the “report” simply says the fibers were sent to “the laboratory” whichever one that happened to be (my guess is that she would have noted it if it was MIT that did this specific analysis – she specifically noted MIT in the last report on the page). Here’s the link and excerpts:
Morgellons #7 INTEGRATIVE HEALTH INTERNATIONAL, LLC
12235 Centralia Street, Lakewood, CA 90715
Tel: 562-402-7300 Fax: 562-402-7308 Direct: 213-382-2786
Project Contract Labs: AMDL, Inc., ACS, Inc., MIT, and Lambda Solutions, Inc.
PHASE I (Part B) Samples from Sept. 1, 2007.
Results Received: February 5, 2007
Subject: Samples of Unknown Fibers Collected form Many Sources and Delivered to Laboratory.
INTRODUCTION
Several batches of unknown suspect fibers were sent to the laboratory over a period of several weeks. We were asked to examine them, study them microscopically, determine some physical properties, and run elemental analysis by energy dispersive spectroscopy (EDS) and chemical groups by Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy (FTIR). Also some samples would be analyzed by Fourier transform Raman spectroscopy (FT-Raman).
Laboratory personnel would also compare the fibers with some other nanofibers reported to be carbon-silicon fibers with photoluminescent and other properties.
NOTE: All Samples were compared to the "Goldenhead" as found by Dr. Rahim Karjoo and Dr. Hildegarde Staninger (October 28, 2006) and a fiber that was identified as High Density Polyethylene Fiber (HDPE).
The following results specifically address the tests performed on the High Density Poly-ethylene (HDPE) fiber from a patient of Dr. Staninger's whom she consulted with at IntroCell, LLC, Pensacola, FL. The specimen sample was from a piece of skin that fell from "BB's" foot Sample No. 12938-A. Sample No. 12938-1 and 12938-3 will be addressed for SEM/EDS data.
RESULTS
3) A FTIR spectrum of one spot on the fiber indicated the presence of high density polyethylene fiber plus a trace of another material (brown gel). Fiber size 0.8 um and a melting point of 115 degrees C.
Sample 12938-A "BB"
The specimen shows carbon and oxygen present with the EDS test. The other elements were to minimal to be detected. The specimen was tested with Raman Test and found to be High Density Polyethylene Fiber (HDPE) with a trace of another compound. The other compounds have not been identified. Its Melting Point is 115 degrees C with a 0.8 um length.
I could find only one of the samples where it was specifically stated that MIT (the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute) tested it and they couldn’t identify whatever the substance was (which really only means that it was something that wasn’t in their test database when you think about it). The information states it was a “fiber” from a meteorite so it doesn’t seem too surprising to me that it might not be in the Oceanographic Institutes database. There is no information to indicate why Dr. Staninger considered a fiber from a meteorite to be a “suspect” Morgellon’s fiber.
PHASE III-B Samples sent Sept. 2006.
Results Received March 20, 2007
Subject: L/N: 12938 A series of specimens. These are the RAMAN TESTS.
Two Samples of Unknown Fibers were Collected from Two Sources and Delivered to Laboratory.
Report of: Examination and Fourier Transform-Raman Spectra of Two Suspects
Morgellon Fibers Sent by Integrative Health International, LLC.
Method: Fourier Transform Raman Spectroscopy (FT-Raman).
INTRODUCTION
Two similar samples (No. 12938-1 and No. 12938-7) of suspect fibers were previously studied and reported in Phase I PROJECT: FMM Report. In the present report various laboratories (Lambda Solutions, Inc. and MIT's Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution) would analyze these two samples by Fourier Transform Raman Spectroscopy to learn more about their chemical structures. Both fibers were suspect Morgellons and would be examined for Raman structural groups to attempt identification of the material(s). Sample No. 12938-1 would be sent to Lambda Solutions, Inc. and Sample No. 12938-7 would be sent to MIT's Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.
Sample No. 12938-7 is described in Phase I Report as a container with fibers in rubber band and Labeled INC-7-19-06 PR FRESS. The sample is from a meteorite. Specimen was tested for melting point. No melting occurred but it darkened at 200 degrees with no dichroism.
1. The Raman bands that were identified for Sample 12938-7 were:
* C-C (aromatic ring chain vibrations)
* C=C vibrations
* Si-C vibrations
2. No silicon was present.
3. MIT could not make "guess" as to what the fiber is made of per staff.
One of the other things I noted on
most of the samples shown on this webpage was that most of them contained a high percentage of sulfur (which is the base ingredient that collagens and keratins are produced from) along with other things like carbon, silica (which is also a normal component of collagens and keratins) and oxygen. It seems to me that a lot of what she determined the fibers to be made of indicates that much of the material could well be mostly substances that are natural to the human body.
From what I can gather, Jan Smith’s samples appeared to be silicone / silicon based. Here’s a link to her website discussing this along with a brief excerpt:
Jan Smith's Letter Regarding Nanotech Diseases AKA Morgellon's I have had two knee replacements in the past three years. When the first knee was replaced, the incision did not heal properly and grew lesions on the scar that were filled with fibers. A year later the second knee was replaced and this time, Concord Hospital in Concord, New Hampshire made a series of pathology slides for Dr. Hildegarde Staninger who was at that time already researching Morgellon’s disease. She sent my pathology slides to Dr. Rahim Karjoo who made the following findings, which were later made public. The silicon and silicone photos are from my body. I have never had any implants or injections of silicone in my body. This silicon is a result of silicon-based nanotechnology. I noted that these samples were from a second knee replacement. Some implants for knee replacements contain silicone components (particularly articular cartilage replacements) and some bone “cements” used in some knee replacements are also silicone based. I had an experimental artificial ligament in my knee for a short while made from GoreTex and when I had to have it removed (rejection) the biopsies of the surrounding tissue showed GoreTex (where the material had shed from the implant). An autopsy performed on another patient with this GoreTex implant (died in an auto accident) noted that GoreTex was present in his lymph nodes (this was one of the major reasons the GoreTex ligament was never approved for use by the FDA). Thus,
I would suspect that the materials used in the joint replacement surgery could very well be the source of the silicone in Jan’s case. Here is some information on how silicone and polyethylene are used in artificial knee joints:
Types of Replacement Parts Replacements for hip and knee joints include portions made from metal, such as stainless steel, titanium or chrome and cobalt alloys. Other portions are made of a strong, durable plastic called polyethylene. Frequently Asked Questions About Silicone Poisoning 18. I have not had any breast implants, yet I still have many of the symptoms you list in your symptoms, how can that be?
This can happen because all injectable needles are coated with silicone for easier injection into the skin. Many body replacement parts such as hip and knee replacement joints are coated with silicone. It depends on your personal response to any amount of silicone. Lipstick has silicone in the ingredients. I suffer severe allergic reactions from Pledge Furniture Polish. Take the time to read the ingredients of any products you use, including beauty products.